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Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by thrwway34 »

cpursley wrote: post #105
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Aussie, it feels like a tone set in American film and tv which consistently paints Russia as a frenemy which probably influences the writers. I’m sure the Russians are fed the very same sorts of propaganda tho.

As an American living in Russia, not really. Russian people overall have a very positive attitude towards the US and Americans and are able to differentiate people from their government. Even the official Russian propaganda (Channel 1, etc) has a less harsh depiction of America compared to how US media portrays Russia. All the Russia hate in the US right now doesn't even make an effort separate the politics from the…

Sorry, comrade, I won't buy it. Russians considered US enemy #1 for quite a long time: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/1249...

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by thrwway34 »

saladgnu054 wrote: post #60

Can we say "the Russian government" or "the Russian secret services" or something similar? Why always this tone with the Russians, the Russians are wonderful people, like everyone else trying to live their lives with the hand they were dealt. Am I the only one that sees how offensive this trope is to about 150 million people?

Russians support Putin's regime en masse, so article had correct definition.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by goodbot666 »

cpursley wrote: post #106
bobthechef wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you have to be so obtuse? Everyone with some common sense knows that in a political context, “the Russians” means the Russian state. Any support from the general Russian populace is secondary (though not entirely unrelated since the state is generally a product of its society). I refuse to believe that you don’t understand this to be the case.

Unfortunately everyone doesn't know. I live in Russia and am constantly having to explain to people in the US that yes, you can own property, start a business, not everyone is an alcoholic who fights bears etc there. Americans understanding of modern Russia is often very much out of date.

Do you also tell them that all ISPs are obliged to route all traffic via government servers and if some FSB general likes the successful business you started it will be taken by him easily?

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by Fanch22 »

cpursley wrote: post #106
bobthechef wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you have to be so obtuse? Everyone with some common sense knows that in a political context, “the Russians” means the Russian state. Any support from the general Russian populace is secondary (though not entirely unrelated since the state is generally a product of its society). I refuse to believe that you don’t understand this to be the case.

Unfortunately everyone doesn't know. I live in Russia and am constantly having to explain to people in the US that yes, you can own property, start a business, not everyone is an alcoholic who fights bears etc there. Americans understanding of modern Russia is often very much out of date.

> yes, you can own property, start a business, not everyone is an alcoholic who fights bears etc there

Not American, but as the only Russians i met were "security detail" from Crimea and as my mother used to help Georgians exiles between 2005 and 2015, i would put asterisk everywhere in your sentence except at "who fight bears".

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by koalaman »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #58
koalaman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.

You're right of course. We're all susceptible. I still maintain that ignorance is the dry kindling to misinformation's fire, while a well-educated populace is more like damp log.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by cpursley »

thrwway34 wrote: post #151
cpursley wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American living in Russia, not really. Russian people overall have a very positive attitude towards the US and Americans and are able to differentiate people from their government. Even the official Russian propaganda (Channel 1, etc) has a less harsh depiction of America compared to how US media portrays Russia. All the Russia hate in the US right now doesn't even make an effort separate the politics from the…

Sorry, comrade, I won't buy it. Russians considered US enemy #1 for quite a long time: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/1249...

You're conflating nation states and people.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by cpursley »

goodbot666 wrote: post #153
cpursley wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately everyone doesn't know. I live in Russia and am constantly having to explain to people in the US that yes, you can own property, start a business, not everyone is an alcoholic who fights bears etc there. Americans understanding of modern Russia is often very much out of date.

Do you also tell them that all ISPs are obliged to route all traffic via government servers and if some FSB general likes the successful business you started it will be taken by him easily?

I've heard some stories and no doubt there are problems. My point is that Americans have a pretty poor understanding of what modern Russia is like. They either think it's still a grey communist dystopia or the crazy 1990s (Adidas track suits and mafia).

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

joshka wrote: post #100
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Aussie, it feels like a tone set in American film and tv which consistently paints Russia as a frenemy which probably influences the writers. I’m sure the Russians are fed the very same sorts of propaganda tho.

(Another Aussie here). How do you feel about Canberra is ... instead of the Australian Government is ...

I don’t fully understand your statement, but I spent 5 years in Canberra and regularly deal with government. I think the stereotypes are exaggerated, but do exist to some eccentric (think: ABC’s Utopia, as opposed to bogans muttering ‘the gubbament don’t do nuffin’) to be fair I think our gov gets caught in big organisation syndrome.

Canberra people are in general, awesome. Little art/fashion culture compared to other cities, but per capita are the most educated people. That doesn’t fix the nightlife situation though :P

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