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Post by NortySpock »

smsm42 wrote: post #432
Lazare wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with almost everything you say except... > a bunch of talking heads on TV and Twitter that told them there was an "insurrection" (nothing of the sort happened of course) It didn't succeed, and in retrospect, it didn't look very effective. Many (but by no means all) of the participants were clowns. However, it was absolutely an attempt. People died in an attempt to storm a seat of government and install a diff…

> However, it was absolutely an attempt Attempt at what? Takeover of the power in the US? B-u-l-l-s-h-i-t. > People were chanting "hang Mike Pence", People chant a lot of shit. People were chanting "hang Trump" for four years, nobody ever called it an insurrection. Before that, they were chanting against Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Nobody ever has been hanged. Pretending not to understand the difference between chanti…

> the word "insurrection" means armed violent action in order to overtake the government

The mob I see here is clearly armed with liberated riot shields, flag poles, sticks and billy clubs, and pepper spray / bear spray, and they are attempting to forcibly push their way into the congress building via mass mob shoving.

https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U?t=748 (30 minutes, probably NSFW) timestamp links to a coup attempt participant deploying bear spray against the police.

I would call that an armed violent action, if unorganized. Could they have overtaken the government (congress)? Maybe with a bit more time, weapons, violence or energy, yes.

> It is literally impossible to change result of the election by jumping on a desk in a Congress.

And if the coup attempt participants had managed to take 20 or more congresspeople hostage and beaten them with sticks until they passed a law that made Trump's term in office infinitely long? Sure, it wouldn't pass the sniff test or the Supreme Court, but it would be an attempt to overthrow the functioning of government.

You can't say it "wasn't an attempt" because they didn't succeed. I can say it was an attempt because a mob broke into the congress building, with some of the members intent on forcibly stopping the election results from being accepted (as has been seen in other arrested individuals and those who had zip tie cuffs).

Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by grecy »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #607
ogre_codes wrote: post #363

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> Now, Amazon had given notice to Parler that they want some moderation that is automated... What are the specs for that? What would satisfy Amazon? Can it be delivered within that timeframe setting aside whatever else is going on? What makes you think Parler is interested in complying with the terms of the contract at all? The only benefit of Parler over Twitter or Facebook is the fact that you can say things which…

> Why? If you are a startup for a recipe making app, Suppose someone posts a recipe for making marijuana brownies. Will you moderate that post? If you did not moderate that post, does Amazon AWS have a right to terminate your account for allowing your users to promote illegal behavior?

> allowing your users to promote illegal behavior?

Which, of course, is perfectly legal in a rapidly growing number of jurisdictions around the world.

The laws of which land even apply?

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Post by HenryKissinger »

eunos wrote: post #698
apple_innocent wrote: post #337

"In 2010, DNA sequencing company Complete Genomics said that "an interruption of services by Amazon Web Services, on whom we rely to deliver finished genomic data to our customers, would result in our customers not receiving their data on time." Gaming company Zynga warned about how its AWS foundation could quickly vanish when it filed the prospectus for its initial public offering in 2011. "AWS may terminate the agr…

Gov is pretty sure has a far stronger leverage than AWS. For example, if AWS cancels unilaterally Gov contracts, Gov will show that as Exhibit A of the need of Anti Trust. Anyway, if Gov can procure cloud services, they should procure multiple providers and design their service as a cloud agnostic system.

The government can shut down Amazon.

Amazon can't shut down the government.

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Post by apple_innocent »

snowwrestler wrote: post #644
apple_innocent wrote: post #337

"In 2010, DNA sequencing company Complete Genomics said that "an interruption of services by Amazon Web Services, on whom we rely to deliver finished genomic data to our customers, would result in our customers not receiving their data on time." Gaming company Zynga warned about how its AWS foundation could quickly vanish when it filed the prospectus for its initial public offering in 2011. "AWS may terminate the agr…

Are there enterprise contracts that do not have provisions under which the supplier can end the relationship for cause? I have a hard time believing the lawyers for a supplier would let them sign a contract that requires them to provide service to a customer under any and all circumstances with no way out. Edit to add: if you stick servers in a colo data center instead of signing with AWS, doesn’t the data center con…

Analogies (such as leasing data center and commercial real estate) should probably account for the availability/lack of viable alternatives. For example, how much choice, what options does the consumer have in selecting its "service providers".

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Post by devmunchies »

lisper wrote: post #11

I gotta say, recent events have left me shaken to my core. I thought I believed in free speech, to the point where I started a company dedicated to providing privacy and communications products that were not subject to control by any central authority (that turns out to be very hard!) But watching the events of the past few years unfold I am no longer convinced that this would really make the world a better place. I…

it's possible that free speech is not the problem, but internet. Mush like how eating food isn't bad but concentrated, processed foods are. They say "everything in moderation", but with technology we are way passed "normal". We have super communication power, and organization wield those powers for financial gain.

Free speech in not dangerous in a low-tech environment, its like whole food. Technology magnifies humans, our good and bad.

I think ted kaczynski (unabomber) was right in many ways. Think about how much damage humans can inflict on the rain forest without technology. It would take considerably more energy. Same thing with technology and communication.

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Post by vel0city »

smsm42 wrote: post #692
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #500

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> If stealing a laptop is "insurrection" Stealing a laptop from a federal government facility while attempting to overturn an election's results and possibly assassinate elected officials, is an "insurrection".

Except nobody "attempted to overturn" anything and assassinate anybody. How would they even do it - would the buffalo guy strike them with his horns and then declare himself The Supreme Ruler?

Probably more like stab them with the spear he was carrying, or probably some of the people who were carrying guns, or potentially the noose hanging outside. Gaddafi wasn't shot with a gun. He still seemed to die when a crowd of people who hated him got a hold of him. A cop was beaten to death in front of the Capitol. You don't need a gun to commit violence.

And that's what the point of this was. Terrorism to push more of Congress to not certify the election.

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Post by tjr225 »

lostlogin wrote: post #706
tjr225 wrote: post #557

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If they paid better, sure they could. That would require more taxes though.

Would it though? Compare other hard problems and how they have been handled. Healthcare comes to mind immediately.

Lol this is kind of funny given my other post but in addition to having worked in government I’ve also worked in healthcare.

I made about 50% of what I do now at that vendor and was glad to leave. I truly think if people had an incentive to make things better in government and healthcare then things would get better. It was a terrible job but a good starting point. I wonder if health care vendors paid as much as google or Facebook how good things could be.

In fact there are a few people that do try to make things better, but they value their progress over money. Same with teachers. We know they make a fraction of what a tech worker does but the value they provide is immense.

I don’t know if you’ve lived on the west coast and worked in tech but if you have surely you know someone who makes an absurd amount of money at Facebook, or google or whatever and also hates what they do. Imagine if you could pay people faybu bux but to make government work. They would do it. There would be an impassioned soul who is want to make government better and would do so. Instead the government pays half rate and gets half rate old dudes who want to retire in place.

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Post by mcguire »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #273
mcguire wrote: post #230

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" She held “seminars” in which she presented her view that Muhammad was indeed a child molester. Dominant Islamic traditions hold that Muhammad’s third wife, Aisha, was 6 at the time of their marriage and 9 at its consummation. Muhammad was in his early 50s. The Austrian woman repeated these claims, and the Austrian court ruled that she had to pay 480 euros or spend 60 days in the slammer. The ECHR ruled that Austria…

All of those things are true and are common knowledge among those with even a modicum of knowledge about the religion.

All religions are frankly horrific at one point or another. And all of the countries (that I'm aware of) that are officially atheist are rather unpleasant, I think you might agree. Everyone's family tree is not an acyclic graph, and contains some ugly people. All of this up, in detail, is true, and everyone knows it. Having "seminars" on it simply makes it a club to be used to beat on someone you don't like. (Doing that here will likely get Dang to rough me up, perhaps even before I have pissed you off. And rightfully so; see the guidelines.)

The bottom line is, the Moslems I've known have been better people than anyone I've met who believes rights and truth are the only limits on what they would say.

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Post by CPLX »

apple_innocent wrote: post #724
snowwrestler wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there enterprise contracts that do not have provisions under which the supplier can end the relationship for cause? I have a hard time believing the lawyers for a supplier would let them sign a contract that requires them to provide service to a customer under any and all circumstances with no way out. Edit to add: if you stick servers in a colo data center instead of signing with AWS, doesn’t the data center con…

Analogies (such as leasing data center and commercial real estate) should probably account for the availability/lack of viable alternatives. For example, how much choice, what options does the consumer have in selecting its "service providers".

> If you lease office space, doesn’t the lease usually have terms under which the property owner can evict you for cause?

Indeed. But almost invariably you’ll have to go to a court to do it.

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