Electric utility can shut off your data centers power if you don't pay the bills or break the contract. Same for your ISP.
Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
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Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm surprised at the lack of recognition that Google and Apple banned Parler as soon as the dems gained all 3 branches of power. It could not be more clear what the motive was. Extremism and violence are on Twitter and Facebook all day long. They're still in the app stores.
Could it be because, I don't know, extremists seized the Capitol that same day?
You know, that would make sense...if we didnt have an entire summer of rioting and looting organized on Twitter and FB where people lost their livelihoods and some their lives causing 20 billion in damage. They are still on the app store.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#403A portion of your citizens were called to storm your nations capital by a President who refuses to accept the results of a democratic election. The very foundation of your democracy has been eroded. Do not pretend the people who are frightened of these actions are overreacting. Democracy is a fragile thing, and you have a portion of your population who attempted to take a hammer to it. Don't pretend this is a narrati…
A bunch of rednecks who broke into a building after a protest event ended, stayed between the red velvet ropes once inside, and left hours after being told to do so with no shots fired at security. Id hardly call that much of an insurrection attempt. "but they had zip ties" there has never been a gov overthrow fought by some guy who brought zip ties.
They constructed a gallows and were calling for the death of your Vice President. They beat a police officer to death.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#404A portion of your citizens were called to storm your nations capital by a President who refuses to accept the results of a democratic election. The very foundation of your democracy has been eroded. Do not pretend the people who are frightened of these actions are overreacting. Democracy is a fragile thing, and you have a portion of your population who attempted to take a hammer to it. Don't pretend this is a narrati…
> The very foundation of your democracy has been eroded.
That would be a crappy democracy if it could be eroded by a bunch of idiots taking an unauthorized Whitehouse tour. Fortunately, absolutely nothing happened to the democracy and it proceeded on its course. What could actually erode the democracy is nation giving up on free speech. That'd be a real sign of nation in severe distress.
> I don't listen to your news
Maybe you should, then you'd know nothing happened to the democracy.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#405I gotta say, recent events have left me shaken to my core. I thought I believed in free speech, to the point where I started a company dedicated to providing privacy and communications products that were not subject to control by any central authority (that turns out to be very hard!) But watching the events of the past few years unfold I am no longer convinced that this would really make the world a better place. I…
It's because we're on average very unhealthy - part of that is the disconnect from others, we don't have genuine community. We used have multi-generation households: kids, parents, grandparents, maybe even great grandparents all helping out - everyone learning from a seemingly infinite amount of knowledge.
If we weren't in this current dis-eased state then also the community of rational, reasonable people, would be ready and able to rally to counter any threats in the physical world.
What concerns me the most is the online bubbles of irrational, propaganda filled narratives, where if you attempt to engage and counter their narrative at all with reason, you'll be near immediately banned/blocked.
These irrational mobs will find a way to communicate in groups, and they may begin to use encrypted private messaging exclusively. The only solution to this is strong community - online and offline - along with creating a culture of healing, to open people's hearts and minds; we already know these mobs are being influenced by foreign bad actors who want to destroy democracy and cause turmoil, so they need to be confronted/addressed as well.
If we can't get these online mobs under control somehow, to reach them and start helping them reason, if things escalate to guerilla-like civil warfare, then we'll have to start creating borders around our cities with identity verification required. Hopefully it doesn't come anywhere close to that, if it does it could be within 20 years though. It really depends on the policy that gets put into place - people need a UBI and at least 80% of their health needs covered, otherwise dis-ease progression, including stress, leads to lesser educated people with less critical thinking ability, and more hate for the system they will blame for their hardship and suffering and want to destroy said system.
Edit to add: lazy people downvote, add a qualitative reply instead.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#406I gotta say, recent events have left me shaken to my core. I thought I believed in free speech, to the point where I started a company dedicated to providing privacy and communications products that were not subject to control by any central authority (that turns out to be very hard!) But watching the events of the past few years unfold I am no longer convinced that this would really make the world a better place. I…
> But watching the events of the past few years unfold I am no longer convinced that this would really make the world a better place. One hard truth: it would have been enough to look at European laws made after WWII, and adopt them in the US as well in the first place.
What about the lessons of Europe before WWII? The lessons of fascism and authoritarian communism arising in heavily censored states without the right to free expression? The lessons of fascists and communists enacting further censorship and surveillance as a means of enforcing their power? The lessons of fascism and communism corrupting well-meaning laws, laws initially curtailing civil liberties for the safety of society as a whole?
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like when the white house was stormed over the summer and the pres went into a bunker? Was that an attempted overthrow?
No, because that “storming” only happened in your imagination. The protests were hundreds of feet away and the violence started when the police tried to clear the public park for Trump to have a photo op. If you look at the footage from the journalists who were assaulted, there was nothing like a risk to the White House perimeter: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/channel-7-journalists... If the Trump supporters…
Yes the secret service made the call to take the president into a bunker because it never happened. Just wanted a little adventure that day.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to play the Devil's advocate here: Now, Amazon had given notice to Parler that they want some moderation that is automated... What are the specs for that? What would satisfy Amazon? Can it be delivered within that timeframe setting aside whatever else is going on? These are real concerns for a company going forward. I guess many do not state because of the political ramifications of this particular case, but it…
> Now, Amazon had given notice to Parler that they want some moderation that is automated... What are the specs for that? What would satisfy Amazon? Can it be delivered within that timeframe setting aside whatever else is going on? What makes you think Parler is interested in complying with the terms of the contract at all? The only benefit of Parler over Twitter or Facebook is the fact that you can say things which…
I am trying to steer our discussion past the politics of this.
It is clear that there exists today violent content on both twitter and FB as well, but that is beside the point.
> If Parler implements moderation which will comply with Amazon's terms of service
Can you point to where in AWS TOS this is defined?
We need to agree first that this is a subjective decision on AWS part, regardless of which side of the aisle we fall on.
If we are able to agree on it, it goes back to my original point of the risk.
If you insist that it is objective, then should'nt there be an ombudsman for AWS to ensure that they are now in compliance to it? For something to be objective, there are clear rules that need to be kept on both sides.
> a service for allowing users to discuss kidnapping, rape, and murder openly?
I implore you to step out of the political lens for this argument. You don't have to search too hard to find such content on twitter and FB as well. The reason they can get away is I guess they can afford to have their own servers. This kind of environment stifles the new entrants and cannot be good.
> Can we operate on AWS/ Azure/ Apple's App Store/ etc and meet their terms of service
Honestly, I feel that the ground is not stable with these TOS and their changes, and their arbitrary interpretations.
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You brought up Apple... so lets look at how it took the app off its store because Parler promoted violent content; it is an admission that it is watching against it. So, tomorrow, if two guys use its own messaging apps to commit a terrorist attack, should'nt Apple be liable for it?
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Let me ask you for a minute to pretend you are right wing, and you start that recipe making app -- you will not be at peace even though current app is just fine.
This unease is what is not good for business confidence.
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#409The concentration of your eggs into one basket is the biggest issue I see here. If your business email, SCM, DNS, CDN, storage, backups, compute, CI/CD, data warehouse/BI, desktop compute... all come from one company (e.g. AWS, MS, or GCP), then you can lose *everything* in a flick of the pen.
When you do risk assessments (e.g. SOC 2), you rank all your venders by risk, and answer "what could I do if I lost vendor X?" These are things a business is supposed to do, which is why many intentionally have more than one vendor for the same service, run hybrid cloud, etc when the answer to that question is "close my business."
Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
A bunch of rednecks who broke into a building after a protest event ended, stayed between the red velvet ropes once inside, and left hours after being told to do so with no shots fired at security. Id hardly call that much of an insurrection attempt. "but they had zip ties" there has never been a gov overthrow fought by some guy who brought zip ties.
They smeared feces, stole laptops, broke windows, killed a police officer and got one of their own killed. People with bullhorns directed their fellows to the next target. It was an insurrection attempt by incompetents and LARPers, but absolutely an insurrection attempt.
> smeared feces, stole laptops
> absolutely an insurrection attempt.
You must have a really low bar for "insurrection". If stealing a laptop is "insurrection", by that bar looting a Target - which we witnessed the whole 2020 - would be a Galactic War or something.