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Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by faitswulff »

rglullis wrote: post #147
faitswulff wrote: post #146

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Starting with an ad hominem, are we, now? Most people can't program and are comfortable with Mac/Windows. > Don't let your lack of imagination become everyone else's weight to carry. No one here is shackling you to Signal. You're free to use and customize Matrix, but your argument that people using Signal is no progress at all based solely on being a centralized service is zealotry that is blinding you to the experie…

> Most people can't program and are comfortable with Mac/Windows. Yeah, being comfortable is not the point. The point is being free . > No one here is shackling you to Signal. No one forced me to use WhatsApp. I still use it and still have on my phone. I did manage to introduce some people to Matrix, setup their accounts and install their clients when they wanted to talk to me, but there is a whole lot more that I am…

> you have to help it

It's true that some element of grassroots activism will affect outcomes, but I think marketing, longevity, and UX make a larger difference.

Either way, getting a federated alternative up to speed in UX or forking Signal will require a lot of work.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by rglullis »

faitswulff wrote: post #151
rglullis wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people can't program and are comfortable with Mac/Windows. Yeah, being comfortable is not the point. The point is being free . > No one here is shackling you to Signal. No one forced me to use WhatsApp. I still use it and still have on my phone. I did manage to introduce some people to Matrix, setup their accounts and install their clients when they wanted to talk to me, but there is a whole lot more that I am…

> you have to help it It's true that some element of grassroots activism will affect outcomes, but I think marketing, longevity, and UX make a larger difference. Either way, getting a federated alternative up to speed in UX or forking Signal will require a lot of work.

Disagree on the last sentence.

You simply can not compare the amount of work that will be required (collectively and individually) in either outcome. Improvements to Matrix are being made, and both Element and the Matrix foundation are supportive of further developments and getting more people onboard. Signal is actively working to get forks to do extra leg-work.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by faitswulff »

rglullis wrote: post #152
faitswulff wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you have to help it It's true that some element of grassroots activism will affect outcomes, but I think marketing, longevity, and UX make a larger difference. Either way, getting a federated alternative up to speed in UX or forking Signal will require a lot of work.

Disagree on the last sentence. You simply can not compare the amount of work that will be required (collectively and individually) in either outcome. Improvements to Matrix are being made, and both Element and the Matrix foundation are supportive of further developments and getting more people onboard. Signal is actively working to get forks to do extra leg-work.

Agree to disagree then.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by pentagrama »

followthesmell wrote: post #48
pentagrama wrote: post #22

Glad that is back and happy to see Signal growing, but I really don't like the tongue in cheek tone of Signal on social media, I hope they don't take this route like Telegram (who is becoming a social media platform itself with feature bloat). Hope Signal adapt a serious tone and keep the product thight adding features for privacy and security. Just a personal preference, maybe the hip tone helps to grow.

Signal's tone on Twitter reflects that Signal is a tool that can be used non-techies. https://signal.org/blog/ has a more serious tone.

Well I also prefer a brand that has consistency on his tone and narrative across all his communication channels.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by rglullis »

faitswulff wrote: post #153
rglullis wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree on the last sentence. You simply can not compare the amount of work that will be required (collectively and individually) in either outcome. Improvements to Matrix are being made, and both Element and the Matrix foundation are supportive of further developments and getting more people onboard. Signal is actively working to get forks to do extra leg-work.

Agree to disagree then.

Please take a look at https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html and tell me if you continue to believe that forking/replicating Signal to make it decentralized would be the same amount of work as improving the UX of a Matrix client.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by faitswulff »

rglullis wrote: post #155
faitswulff wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree to disagree then.

Please take a look at https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html and tell me if you continue to believe that forking/replicating Signal to make it decentralized would be the same amount of work as improving the UX of a Matrix client.

I read it, but I suspect that am fundamentally uninterested in (or not as interested in) the values that you share with the blog author. And you haven't ceded an inch on "centralized services are useless" so I have no motivation to continue this conversation.

Re: Signal Is Back

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Post by rglullis »

faitswulff wrote: post #156
rglullis wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take a look at https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html and tell me if you continue to believe that forking/replicating Signal to make it decentralized would be the same amount of work as improving the UX of a Matrix client.

I read it, but I suspect that am fundamentally uninterested in (or not as interested in) the values that you share with the blog author. And you haven't ceded an inch on "centralized services are useless" so I have no motivation to continue this conversation.

Sorry, I have been in many different threads with different people and I don't think ever said "centralized services are useless", have I?

What you will usually read from me is that centralized services restrict our freedom, concentrate too much power in one single entity and are not worth the convenience.

Re: Signal Is Back

#158

Post by faitswulff »

rglullis wrote: post #157
faitswulff wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it, but I suspect that am fundamentally uninterested in (or not as interested in) the values that you share with the blog author. And you haven't ceded an inch on "centralized services are useless" so I have no motivation to continue this conversation.

Sorry, I have been in many different threads with different people and I don't think ever said "centralized services are useless", have I? What you will usually read from me is that centralized services restrict our freedom, concentrate too much power in one single entity and are not worth the convenience.

That’s the equivalent of saying, “new thread, who dis?” I know what you said, the problem is that you’re not interested in hearing what others say. Especially regarding your bias of deeming centralized services “not worth the convenience” despite popular consensus voting otherwise via installations and usage. By all means hold to your view - you just have to do a better job of convincing others of it.
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