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Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by causalmodels »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #58
koalaman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.

Furthermore the belief that I, a smart and well informed person, am immune to manipulation is a vulnerability those seeking to manipulate you can exploit.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by flixic »

bhouston wrote: post #9

Video of her leaving the Capital building while everyone was still going in: https://twitter.com/dudgedudy/status/1351178713111662593

With everyone filming everything all the time, I've always wondered just how fully we can capture all that is happening in a given place. Capitol events shows that in a situation like that, you can almost pick any person, and with enough effort, perhaps find everything that happened to them at any given time.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by IgorPartola »

walrus01 wrote: post #54
hairofadog wrote: post #30

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Wow. Sometimes you'll see a think piece about how a director will call attention to certain parts of the frame (dressing the main character in vibrant clothing and extras in drab clothing for a New York sidewalk scene, for example). This is like that. No question about who the main character is in that shot.

amateur cinematography thoughts here, you've got a few things that make her stand out... First, the other guys are just standing around static. Second, there's three other people all going the opposite direction. Third, she's the only movement or person going away from the capitol in the shot. Additionally, in a crowd mostly composed of men who generally resemble the guys standing around, she's the only person in a s…

And, she is moving in a hurry. Like if you showed that to me without context and asked "what do you think she's doing?" I would likely think she is trying to carry something away by how she's holding the bag close to her midsection. Is the correct term for this "conspicuous af"?

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by bobthechef »

saladgnu054 wrote: post #60

Can we say "the Russian government" or "the Russian secret services" or something similar? Why always this tone with the Russians, the Russians are wonderful people, like everyone else trying to live their lives with the hand they were dealt. Am I the only one that sees how offensive this trope is to about 150 million people?

Why do you have to be so obtuse? Everyone with some common sense knows that in a political context, “the Russians” means the Russian state. Any support from the general Russian populace is secondary (though not entirely unrelated since the state is generally a product of its society). I refuse to believe that you don’t understand this to be the case.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by IntelMiner »

naniwaduni wrote: post #43
rodgerd wrote: post #38

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The Venn diagram of terrorists and domestic abusers is a circle, or near enough as makes no difference.

That ... doesn't seem quite right, no.

I'd disagree

People that are unhinged in their view of reality enough to think that they're going to just

- Take a week off work

- Book a hotel room

- Board a plane

- Take down the government

- Fly home

- Go back to work

People who think that can be integrated into "just another day" are likely unhinged enough that they'd become violent when "challenged" at home on much smaller issues

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by Lutzb »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #58
koalaman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

"you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.

While I agree that everyone can be manipulated and we should never consider us immune to manipulation, I would still argue that certain groups of people are more easily manipulated.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by type0 »

godelski wrote: post #10
SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #3

> to Russians I don't understand why they say "to Russians" or "to the Russians" instead of "to Russian intelligence". It's like being Russian is the crime itself. They wouldn't write "tried to sell the computer to Jews".

> They wouldn't write "tried to sell the computer to Jews". No, because they'd say "tried to sell the computer to Israelis." Jews are a race and Russians/Israelis are citizens of a country.

There is a distinction https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiyane

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by nerfhammer »

saladgnu054 wrote: post #60

Can we say "the Russian government" or "the Russian secret services" or something similar? Why always this tone with the Russians, the Russians are wonderful people, like everyone else trying to live their lives with the hand they were dealt. Am I the only one that sees how offensive this trope is to about 150 million people?

FTA: "intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence service"

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by chrischen »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #58
koalaman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

"you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.

While I agree in general, the nuance is that certain people are in fact more susceptible than others.

Hypnotists bring up a bunch of people on stage just to find the one most susceptible to their tricks.

On the other hand, well designed manipulation like YouTube’s recommended videos can keep even the least ignorant people enthralled in videos.

Re: Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Russians, FBI says

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Post by idownvoted »

As a foreigner with limited knowledge about the powers of a US House Speaker:

What value would a laptop of Nancy Pelosi provide to a foreign government, if it doesn’t include incriminating content?

I‘m not suggesting that this story is bogus, but rather that Riley June Williams hopes were and she vastly overestimated the laptop’s value to anyone.

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