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GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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What does the future of open-source large neural nets look like? My understanding is GPT-3 takes ~600GB of GPU memory to run inference. Does an open source model just allow you a choice of a handful of cloud providers instead of one?

Open source doesn’t mean that everyone will be rolling their own. It means that lots of players will start to offer endpoints with GPT-X, perhaps bundled with other services. It is good for the market.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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In my experience, the output from GPT-3, DALL-E, et al is similar to what you get from googling the prompt and stitching together snippets from the top results. These transformers are trained on "what was visible to google", which provides the limitation on their utility. I think of the value proposition of GPT-X as "what would you do with a team of hundreds of people who can solve arbitrary problems only by googling…

I don't necessarily see the "team of automated googlers" as a fundamental or damning problem with GPT-like approaches. First I think people may have a lot fewer truly original ideas then they are willing to admit. Original thought is sought after and celebrated in arts as a rare commodity. But unlike in arts, where there are almost not constraints, when it comes to science or engineering almost every incremental step…

I call it the "Prior-Units" theorem. Given that you are able to articulate an idea useful to many people, there exists prior units of that idea. The only way then to come up with a "new idea", is to come up with an idea useful only to yourself (plenty of those) (or small groups), or translate an old idea to a new language.

The reason for this is that if your adult life consists of just a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the total time of all adults, and so if an idea is relevant to more people, odds decrease exponentially that no one thought of it before.

There are always new languages though, so a great strategy is to take old ideas and bring them to new languages. I count new high level, non programming languages as new languages as well.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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It's not me I'm worried about - it's the 50% [1] of people who get their news from social media and "entertainment" news platforms. These people vote, and can get manipulated into performing quite extreme acts. At the moment a lot of people seem to have trouble engaging with reality, and that seems to be caused by relatively small disinformation campaigns and viral rumours. How much worse could it get when there's a…

> made-up number, but doesn't feel far off. Pew Research says 18% report getting news primarily from social media (fielded 10/19-6/20)[0]. November 2019 research said 41% among 18-29 year olds, which was the peak age group. Older folks largely watch news on TV[1]. [0] https://www.journalism.org/2020/07/30/americans-who-mainly-g... [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/pathways-2020/NEWS_MOST/age/us_a...

Thanks for providing data. Evidence is better than making up numbers.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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You missed the forest for the trees. If you got a tool that can use StackOverflow to solve simple programming tasks, or to generally solve any simple task with Google, then you're sitting on a gold mine.

Yes and no. It may be useful to hire less low skilled employees and keep a few senior ones that take input from machine and decide what to keep and what to throw away. I'm not sure if a senior engineer would be more productive patching up code written by a bot or writing it from scratch. It's going to be a hard sell while you still need human supervisors. You can't trust a machine that can't reason with code implemen…

> if a senior engineer would be more productive patching up code written by a bot or writing it from scratch.

I have no doubt writing from scratch would win hands down. The main reason we patch wonky legacy code is because it's already running and depended on. If you remove that as a consideration, a senior engineer writing the equivalent code (rather than debugging code generated randomly from Google searches) would -IMO- would be more efficient and produce a higher quality program.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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I know! One day it's going to get so bad people are going to have to deploy critical thinking instead of accepting what they read at face value and suffer the indignity of having to think for themselves.

Critical thinking won't help you when the majority (or all) of your sources are tainted and contradictory. At some point, the actual truth just gets swamped.

"the actual truth"

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

#166
post #69

How does the outfit intend to fund the project? OpenAI spends millions on computing resources to train the models.

Hey! One of the lead devs here. A cloud computing company called CoreWeave is giving us the compute for free in exchange for us releasing it. We're currently at the ~10B scale and are working on understanding datacenter scale parallelized training better, but we expect to train the model on 300-500 V100s for 4-6 months.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

#167
post #66

In my experience, the output from GPT-3, DALL-E, et al is similar to what you get from googling the prompt and stitching together snippets from the top results. These transformers are trained on "what was visible to google", which provides the limitation on their utility. I think of the value proposition of GPT-X as "what would you do with a team of hundreds of people who can solve arbitrary problems only by googling…

The current problem is that we don’t have a reliable, scalable way to merge in features of knowledge engines that have ontological relationships of entities with generative engines that are good for making more natural looking or sounding qualitative output. There’s certainly research going on to join them together but it’s just not getting the kind of press releases as the generative and pattern recognition stuff that’s much easier comparatively. The whole “General AI Complete” class of problems seems to be ones that are trying to combine multiple areas of more specific AI systems but that’s exactly where more practical problems for the average person arise.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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post #66

In my experience, the output from GPT-3, DALL-E, et al is similar to what you get from googling the prompt and stitching together snippets from the top results. These transformers are trained on "what was visible to google", which provides the limitation on their utility. I think of the value proposition of GPT-X as "what would you do with a team of hundreds of people who can solve arbitrary problems only by googling…

Or not even googling, but pre-googling. Using its predictive typing in the text box at google.com Because you are giving to something to complete.

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

#169

It still baffles me that GPT turned out to be more than a glorified markov chain text generator. It seems we’ve actually made it create a model of the world to some degree. And we kind of just stumbled on the design by throwing massive data and neural networks together?

You're made of meat and yet you manage to be more than a glorified markov chain generator. :)

(I hope)

Re: GPT-Neo – Building a GPT-3-sized model, open source and free

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But I was told GPT-3 was too powerful for mere mortal hands (unless you have an account!) and that it would be used for hate speech and to bring about skynet. How will this project avoid those terrible outcomes?

I don't know a single intelligent person who believed this argument, it simply doesn't hold up.

Lots of people "believe" that, they just prefer to downvote anonymously rather than try to defend their position.
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