Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears • Hacker News Board

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by baobabKoodaa » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

cwhiz wrote: post #57

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, to all the people downvoting my comment: the article paints a pretty clear picture that this person was staying in the arrivals area which is accessible to passengers, and the reason for his arrest and prosecution was that he was embarrassing airport security. At no point does the article claim or even hint at the possibility that the person used the stolen badge to enter other areas besides the arrivals area. S…

I am sure he stole the badge because he just enjoys collecting quirky things.

The most likely explanation for stealing the badge is that it provides cover for hanging out in the arrivals area 24/7. The article claims that the man stayed in an "area" (as in, a single area, rather than multiple areas). Have you ever been to an airport? They typically have security cameras everywhere. You don't think the investigation would have caught him walking into the flight control HQ to perform evil maid attack on flight control computers or whatnot?

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by bluesign » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

kingosticks wrote: post #38

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #14

Airport security theatre apparently completely collapsed into a bizzaro world where wet streets cause rain and actors behave like they are on strong drugs. So, we are talking about the area you are in after a flight, yes? Remind me, BBC, why is that a "secure" area? In case people smuggle bombs/weapons on a flight, just do nothing on the flight and than harm people afterwards?! I get that you want the are to be a one…

> > lived undetected in a secure area of Chicago's international airport for three months, US prosecutors say. > Remind me, BBC, why is that a "secure" area? Isn't this a question for the US prosecutors? Failing that, if you want to blame the press, the Chicago Tribune? They felt the need to also include a photo.

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Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by notyourday » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #55

syshum wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The raw amount of the bail is not, and should not be relevant, as to a person with no money $1 bail is unattainable. This is why the Cash Bail system is regarded as punishment for the poor, and in part what makes the Legal system different for the "rich" vs the poor

I'm curious if you would still say the amount of bail is irrelevant if it were a well-off person getting a $1,000 bail. For what it's worth, bail is supposed to set to an amount based in part on the person's wealth. So for two people ~~convicted~~ accused of identical crimes, where one has 10x the means of the other, the bails should be 10x different. It doesn't always happen that way of course, but it is part of the…

> So for two people convicted of identical crimes, where one has 10x the means of the other, the bails should be 10x different.

Accused, not convicted.

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by notyourday » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

snarfy wrote: post #54

bonoboTP wrote: post #28

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They often reason backwards. They want to order bail, but danger-to-community is a required condition for bail (as pointed out in another comment), so they proclaim that he is indeed a danger.

If he's not a danger, then why require bail?

> If he's not a danger, then why require bail?

To ensure the defendant has intensives to come back for trial

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:25 PM UTC

Rygian wrote: post #2

"Based upon the need for airports to be absolutely secure so that people feel safe to travel, I do find those alleged actions do make him a danger to the community." That is such an obvious non-sequitur, shoot-the-messenger attitude to security. The "danger to the community" stems from the officials at the airport who failed to make the airport safe and prevent this sort of situation from developing.

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Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by baobabKoodaa » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:27 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #55

syshum wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The raw amount of the bail is not, and should not be relevant, as to a person with no money $1 bail is unattainable. This is why the Cash Bail system is regarded as punishment for the poor, and in part what makes the Legal system different for the "rich" vs the poor

I'm curious if you would still say the amount of bail is irrelevant if it were a well-off person getting a $1,000 bail. For what it's worth, bail is supposed to set to an amount based in part on the person's wealth. So for two people ~~convicted~~ accused of identical crimes, where one has 10x the means of the other, the bails should be 10x different. It doesn't always happen that way of course, but it is part of the…

You forget that bail is refunded upon appearing to the court. A rich person will post bail, gain their freedom, and get the bail refunded to them when they go to court. A poor person can not afford to post bail, so they will lose their freedom. No-one will "refund" this lost freedom to them in any form.

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

tankenmate wrote: post #6

Rygian wrote: post #2

"Based upon the need for airports to be absolutely secure so that people feel safe to travel, I do find those alleged actions do make him a danger to the community." That is such an obvious non-sequitur, shoot-the-messenger attitude to security. The "danger to the community" stems from the officials at the airport who failed to make the airport safe and prevent this sort of situation from developing.

I'm left wondering why this is being treated as a felony rather than a mental health issue. I'm wondering what else hasn't been reported in this case (or can't be reported).

The prosecutors are throwing the book in order to have more bargaining leverage in order to cover for the incompetence of the people running security. You don't wind up being a prosecutor in a big city by being unwilling to do that.

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by marcosdumay » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:30 PM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #58

scotty79 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fine for the judge to say false things in the court if it's a part of the protocol?

If 'danger to the community' is a term of art that sets a standard for imprisonment/bail, then it's not so cut and dried as to say that the guy seems harmless so the judge is lying. Clearly this guy exploited a security problem that endangers the community, and clearly he didn't physically harm anyone during his time in the airport.

> exploited a security problem that endangers the community

Well, it's not his fault the security problem endangers the community.

The US felony system is quite absurd. This guy is now marked for life for trespassing into a public space, based on the subjective opinion of a judge that despite him not harming anybody for 3 months, he is a danger to the community.

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by __s » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #52

__s wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like he used a stolen badge to get into areas not open to the public

The article does not make such claims.

Depends on interpretation of

> an unauthorised, non-employee individual was allegedly living within a secure part of the O'Hare airport terminal

Overall not many details in article, mostly signals one shouldn't be making "lol tos" remarks without knowing more

Re: Man found 'living in airport for three months' over Covid fears

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Post by bjoli » Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 1:50 PM UTC

Rygian wrote: post #2

"Based upon the need for airports to be absolutely secure so that people feel safe to travel, I do find those alleged actions do make him a danger to the community." That is such an obvious non-sequitur, shoot-the-messenger attitude to security. The "danger to the community" stems from the officials at the airport who failed to make the airport safe and prevent this sort of situation from developing.

I showed an airline clerk that one of their systems were insecure (VIP lounge thingy). I got access by playing around with a QR code generator, and the way I showed that it was insecure was to talk him through the process of getting in.

I almost ended up in a cell. Until the boss came. I could see directly that he was my tribe. The hacker kind. I talked him through it, after which he gave the others a stern talking to, shook my hand and bought me lunch.

He said they were a bit shaky because apparently people were getting into the checked in area with the same technique. Up until very recently you got in to "secure places" by presenting any qr code that was in the valid format.

"Does this look valid? Well, yes. Let's not bother actually validating it".