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I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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Re: I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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> That’s why I have personal property that the company isn’t able to access so I can conduct personal activities with some level of privacy. The problem right now is: due to Work from home, you basically have blurred the lines between the digital company and private assets. Either you have a company device; or even a personal device running this software in your private networks doing and telemetering you don’t know…

I wish there was a better solution to this. I tried creating a VM and joining that to the work "services" but HyperV, VirtualBox, etc. all add an audio delay making Teams unusable. Also tried Barrier and dedicating one monitor to work, but I still can't share/mix the audio so have 2 separate headsets. I know ideally I'd just use the work computer all the time when "working", but they're VPN-ing all traffic and I occa…

You could buy a small desktop mixer with two sends, so you could connect a microphone to it and choose which computer it will send voice to and also mix sound from both computers.

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> For example, does Teams really record the actual messages a user posts in a Teams chat? I’m confused with this question. Why wouldn’t it? It’s not like Teams has (or will have) any kind of end-to-end encryption in place. Teams is a sluggish and monstrous replacement for chat that stores all messages (on Microsoft’s servers if the organization uses Office 365) to synchronize views across devices. The easiest way to…

Teams has a feature of sending questions anonymously. I have always been wondering whether the admin or the OP can see who sent questions.

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> "Teams could soon be a digital platform as important as the internet browser." - Satya Nadella Every person reading this should be scared, because he's not wrong. Ever since the pandemic started, 90% of our B2B SaaS platform customers (current and prospects) have asked "do you have a Teams app". Its sudden ; it was not like this a year ago. Its an "end the conversation" question for maybe half of them, similar to h…

Out of curiosity, why were you involved in that development if Teams is so bad? I mean I'd rather wouldn't like to associate my company with such garbage. Just good old money reasons?

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Teams is Skype, but worse. Seriously, it's just reskinned Skype with bolt-ons. You can see "skype" present in the address bar sometimes when you load Teams in a browser. The Teams desktop application (at least on Linux) has references to Skype as well. Teams routinely uses between 200 and 500 MB of memory to run, which makes it the 2nd most memory-intensive program on my computer. On top of that, it doesn't even work…

> Teams is Skype Teams uses (or at least used) Skype for business' core under the hood

And Skype for Business is actually their old Lync product and not related to Skype, the once famous VoIP startup.

Re: I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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I really think, companies should actively inform their team leaders that metrics and scores are not an adequate measure for performance. E.g., a person may have great scores, but is in actuality just micro-managing their incompetence at the cost of everyone else's performance. Metrics may indicate a certain behavior, or they may hint at the opposite, or they may be even somewhat random, as they record just a certain…

If they hired team managers that use those metrics, do you think that their peers would know this is a bad practice? It seems like this problem widespread and nobody wants to say "we don't need this data", so yes this should come from the top. However, I fear that if a company starts to suffer, the shareholders would want to know answers and data. Would any exec have dared to say "sorry we don't have any metrics about individual employee performance"?

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apps in windows are, and have always been, more like this than mac apps. it seems like the worst offenders on mac are ports from / native residents of windows. steam does this, for example. it drives me BONKERS. at least on Mac it's kind of rare. on windows, i swear to god every single thing you install does this. razer mouse? better run at startup! weird USB peripheral you use once in a blue moon? better run at star…

Honestly I’m surprised that Apple doesn’t block applications from inserting themselves into a user’s login items after the user has manually removed it. Or maybe only let the application do it by asking the use (and requiring one of the answers to be “no, and never ask again”.

Well, you can't really buy Teams from the App Store, now can you?

Maybe some day people will understand that this "walled garden" is a good thing

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In my experience, Teams, even with the official Linux app (Electron-based) simply doesn't work on Linux, just like Skype for Enterprise didn't work before. Had an appointment the other week with a customer, and had to resort to dial-in with audio-only. I guess you need a corporate account or something, but Teams wouldn't say. When I wanted to start a video call, an error message would flash up briefly, like 100ms, so…

On Mint 20.1, both Teams app and webapp works. Might be dependent on distro/versions. It's still slow and bloated, so I quit it at EOD.

On latest Ubuntu it is unusable. Consistently takes over 50% CPU and makes everything slow.

Re: I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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So if your work can be surmised by your activity on teams then sure teams provides those metrics too your boss. If your work and your teams usage are not closely correlated then it does not. Tbh this is not that concerning. Teams is a desktop application it could report computer usage by the minute. It could send a list of applications you use and how much, and probably your browser history (unless that's encrypted).…

It could also take a picture every minute and record your microphone, then have running captioning on it and stream whatever has been said in the vicinity.

Re: I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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I can't believe how aggressive Teams is at inserting itself in my login items (on a Mac). At first, I thought it just happened when I installed the application. But nope — any time I open Teams, it will re-insert itself in my list of login items. This happens no matter how many times I have manually removed it. I think it even happens more than once per launch because I recently launched it to join a call and then im…

I think this is also partially on apple they did deprecate the existing start on login API, and I could get the new API working.

Re: I looked at all the ways Microsoft Teams tracks users

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Honestly I’m surprised that Apple doesn’t block applications from inserting themselves into a user’s login items after the user has manually removed it. Or maybe only let the application do it by asking the use (and requiring one of the answers to be “no, and never ask again”.

Well, you can't really buy Teams from the App Store, now can you? Maybe some day people will understand that this "walled garden" is a good thing

I helped my father install O365 via phone. It was a painful experience (he’s not great with computers). O365 was added to the Mac App Store the following week.

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