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E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by z3t4 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #126
z3t4 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many people out there with crazy ideas, but they don't want to invest in it because they know they will be eaten by a bigger fish. Their only hope is to stay under the radar long enough so that they will have enough money to retire once their idea gets copied.

There are also a lot of people who would really like to improve upon existing products but are prevented from doing so due to patents. So patents promote some kinds of innovation while severely restricting other kinds. It may well be true that there is more potential innovation being blocked due to IP restrictions than there is being promoted by IP rights. People seem to take it as a given that the latter outweighs t…

Maybe make it so that the patent royalties are paid by the consumer as patent tax. Then that tax is distributed among all patents in use by that product.

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est31 wrote: post #39
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I am so against intellectual monopoly like this. It does not create continuous incentive to innovate and instead allows companies with just a bit of innovation to rest on their laurels. I think there would be much more innovation in the world, aka a “higher rate of innovation” without intellectual monopolies and intellectual property restrictions.

Why would you want to innovate when the bigger competitor can just copy you without paying you anything? This current situation is unfortunate, but I think it's an imperfection of the market. If the patent owning company had been a bit less greedy, they could have made far more money with it.

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Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by crvdgc »

listerOfSmeg wrote: post #6

E-ink is one of those techs that only advanced when large batches of patents expire. E-ink the company has tied up the tech stack in so many patents, NDA's, and exorbitant prices that no one wants to touch it. E-ink the technology wont go any where for 10-15 years when that next big batch of patents expire. Its just like 3D displays and VR there will be a massive consumer push new batches of patents will be filed pro…

> as no-one can afford everyone else's patent licensing fees

A patent deadlock.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by edanm »

crazygringo wrote: post #117
listerOfSmeg wrote: post #6

E-ink is one of those techs that only advanced when large batches of patents expire. E-ink the company has tied up the tech stack in so many patents, NDA's, and exorbitant prices that no one wants to touch it. E-ink the technology wont go any where for 10-15 years when that next big batch of patents expire. Its just like 3D displays and VR there will be a massive consumer push new batches of patents will be filed pro…

Just to play devil's advocate, that's the whole purpose of patents, to prevent progress by others. On the other hand, the gain is that E Ink Corporation decided it was worth investing in developing and commercializing the technology knowing they'd have exclusive rights for 20 years, and quite possible only because of that. If they didn't have that guarantee, it might not have been worth any company developing it in t…

> Just to play devil's advocate, that's the whole purpose of patents, to prevent progress by others.

Not really. The "societal" purpose of patents is to promote innovation. That's really the yardstick by which most of the conversation around patents needs to be measured - does this help or hinder overall innovation.

There are also moral/philosophical arguments for or against patents, but I think the majority consider the societal impact to be the most important.

The mechanism by which patents achieve this is by giving a temporary monopoly to the inventor. It also requires the inventor to disclose, in detail, how their innovation works ; that's part of the tradeoff - the innovator gets a temporary monopoly, but society benefits by the innovator not hoarding it as a secret. This should actually encourage progress by others, in the long run.

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Post by Qwertious »

mPReDiToR wrote: post #94
willvarfar wrote: post #80

So I’ll ask here as there may be some lurkers who can help me in my quest: I am trying to find a basic e-reader. I have a simple want: I want a built in browser that will let me download ePub and pdf etc from the browser. I’m not interested in bundled bookstores. I’m not keen on having to load books onto it via a pc app nor emailing them nor having an Amazon account neither. I just want to be able to browse and downl…

I got my MobiScribe last week after trying out a ReMarkable (v1) for a bit. The screen isn't as nice to write on, but the software works better for me (I hate to say that; it's Android (4.4!)) and it has a backlight. There's the option to sideload apps, but there is a browser installed when you buy it. Downloading books and apps can be done over WiFi. I have to say I like it. The option to replace the reader gives yo…

Do you mean the "Mobiscribe Origin"? The original Mobiscribe (which is just called the "Mobiscribe", for anyone who's confused) has major lag issues and I wouldn't recommend the note-taking unless you want to wait 30+ seconds at times, switching between virtual notebooks.

I suspect it's partially due to bad coding that scales up poorly (the .note files have to re-render their vectors every time you turn the page, including completely erased parts), and it didn't pop up until I'd owned it for a while.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by c-c-c-c-c »

SulfurHexaFluri wrote: post #91
bergstromm466 wrote: post #20

Goddammit I hate patents, trade secrets and intellectual property. I want this out there on all my devices. Imagine how much less energy we'd use, how much less e-waste we would generate, and how grateful our eyes would be if we weren't staring at blue lights all day.

Its difficult to find the details on this because these companies are so secretive, but from everything I have seen, the e paper technology we have is completely useless for anything but displaying mostly static content. The refresh time is insanely slow so simply typing text or scrolling a page would be almost impossible. Also almost all of the full color eink screens I have been able to find details on are actually…

Check out the high end dasung, theyre not bad at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9qrURPAtnY

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Post by Qwertious »

haneefmubarak wrote: post #75
kevas wrote: post #33

What’s your thoughts on ever using color eInk for coding/development? - easier on the eyes - hammock driven development What do you think the refresh rates would need to be to do that?

Probably at least 1 Hz to even be slightly usable as a screen you are composing or editing on, but current refresh times are multiple seconds so there's still likely a long way to go...

Current refresh rates for sections of the screen are 20ms. Full-screen refresh is a full second, sure, but you don't need that if you're just typing.

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Post by sbierwagen »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #93
oezi wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is why patent duration should be tied to product lifecycle length. Pharma where you need 10 years to pull off clinical trials could keep 23 years, but consumer hardware where new generation of devices launch within 2 years should be limited to 10 years. Software should likely be limited to 5 years.

Alternatively, make the cost to renew a patent each year increase exponentially, with the base proportional to the worth of the individual/company filing the patent at the time of filing. That ties the duration of a patent directly to how much value it provides to the company over time, which is the rationale for having patents in the first place. A company could only afford to hold onto a patent for as long as it ca…

>the cost to renew a patent

Why do you think patents can be renewed?

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Post by leokennis »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #98
SamuelAdams wrote: post #83

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I use a Kobo Clara HD. It has a Kobo store where you can buy books, or you can use the “experimental web browser”, point it to libgen or your libraries website, and download whatever book you want. More often than not though I just hook it up to my Linux laptop and transfer books via usb.

I use a Kobo Libra H2O which has been quite good to me. For people that want to take it to the next level, there's the calibre-web project[1]. It's able to tie into calibre and push books to kobo devices through the built-in sync command. [1] https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web

I have the same ereader, and I can understand the want for wireless book loading from a convenience point of view.

But from the “I don’t want to depend on proprietary software and/or require a privacy breaching login account” point of view, a Kobo is just fine. If you so desire, it’s just a USB drive with an e-ink screen attached. Connect - drop files - eject - read files.

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