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A distro-independent avenue for distribution could be important, but surely we can do better than snapd.
Have we done better, or is snapd the best option for their needs as of today?
Wow, of all the standards why something proprietary like snaps? How about flatpak? Or anything out open?
Literally just switched from Ubuntu to Debian to get away from snaps
After hearing some of the issues with it (here and elsewhere), I'm kinda grateful to them for making the effort.
Though this concerns me -- I use certbot on some debian servers, I hope that at least stays up to date.
Snaps require you to allow each publisher to automatically push arbitrary software updates to your machine, and snap deliberately does not allow you to disable this misfeature. It's not a bug or an oversight -- it's part of the design of snap, and it's not going to change. Handing out the keys to the kingdom like this is supremely annoying on a desktop (e.g. Windows 10), but it's completely unacceptable on a server.…
But I would also point out that on stable Debian it’s near impossible to deploy Certbot because the versions available are too old, especially the plugins. I’ve been routinely installing the snap instead because it’s a quick and easy way to deploy the service at the latest version.
The only other alternative to suggest is to request the Certbot project deploys custom deb repos or similar. But can we expect that of every project? Perhaps we need a new standard to replace snap, if so the only folks I can see large enough to promote it would be GitHub...
Since that’s unlikely to happen, maybe just noting the auto-update “feature” more prominently in their is all they should need to do?
Snaps require you to allow each publisher to automatically push arbitrary software updates to your machine, and snap deliberately does not allow you to disable this misfeature. It's not a bug or an oversight -- it's part of the design of snap, and it's not going to change. Handing out the keys to the kingdom like this is supremely annoying on a desktop (e.g. Windows 10), but it's completely unacceptable on a server.…
Snaps require you to allow each publisher to automatically push arbitrary software updates to your machine, and snap deliberately does not allow you to disable this misfeature. It's not a bug or an oversight -- it's part of the design of snap, and it's not going to change. Handing out the keys to the kingdom like this is supremely annoying on a desktop (e.g. Windows 10), but it's completely unacceptable on a server.…
And if all that wasn't bad enough - snapd also purges package change history after something like 72 hours so you can't even tell what updates were applied and when to your system.
snaps are tied to the proprietary Ubuntu store and they are not available on all of the Linux flavors. For instance, I don't see snapd on Alpine Linux: $apk search snapd $ Not cool, I think.
snaps are tied to the proprietary Ubuntu store and they are not available on all of the Linux flavors. For instance, I don't see snapd on Alpine Linux: $apk search snapd $ Not cool, I think.
The snap is very different and relies on systemd which isn’t commonly found in Alpine.
Literally just switched from Ubuntu to Debian to get away from snaps
Linux Mint has even removed snap, which is impressive since they're downstream from Ubuntu. After hearing some of the issues with it (here and elsewhere), I'm kinda grateful to them for making the effort. Though this concerns me -- I use certbot on some debian servers, I hope that at least stays up to date.