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Post by netsharc »

bebna wrote: post #440
hatchnyc wrote: post #137

I use two MacBooks for programming for several hours each every single day, my personal machine has a touchbar, my work machine does not. I realize this is blasphemous to say and I did think I would hate the touchbar for all the reasons, but I actually ended up liking it. I had imagined myself tapping virtual function buttons and the whole thing seemed silly and useless and worse than having physical keys, but VS Cod…

nobody hates the touchbar, they hate that a row was sacrificed for it, instead of just adding it on top.

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Post by DWakefield »

alisonkisk wrote: post #494
yarcob wrote: post #381

The nice thing about my 2015 Macbook Pro is that it's useful without any accessories. I can just throw it in a bag and walk out the door. It's got enough battery life that I usually don't need to bring a charger. It has all the ports that I ever need. I can hook it up to a projector with the built in HDMI port, I can put in the SD card from my camera, or I can quickly copy files from someones thumb drive. I don't nee…

An HDMI cable is an accessory. CompactFlash card doesn't fit in an SD port.

Any projector setup worth having would have an HDMI cable ready for you.

A 5.25" floppy diskette won't fit an a CompactFlash slot.

What's your point? I can come up with silly excuses too.

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Post by madhadron »

someonehere wrote: post #196

I bought a Microsoft Surface laptop 13” for work to test builds with. That laptop has a headphone port, USB-A, USB-C and a proprietary Microsoft port the power adapter plugs into. Don’t have that adapter handy while traveling? You can still charge it via the USB-C port with another charger. I can see Apple copying another facet of Microsoft’s Surface line. The other being the Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro.

We went to Surfaces in my house for a while. They're by and large fine, but Windows 10 is sufficiently painful and hard to use that I'm bringing the family back to macs just to stop having to do so much tech support.

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Post by fastball »

Retric wrote: post #364
oblio wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be surprised if a 13" Surface doesn't charge well enough at 100W, though.

13” Surface laptops had up to 90Wh of battery. Batteries get hot when charging due to inefficiency, meaning it takes more than 90Wh to charge a 90Wh battery. Subtract the power demand while in use and your well over an hour to fully charge. By comparison a quick charge to 80% in under 20 minutes while under full load should be possible assuming sufficient cooling and power. That’s not a huge deal most of the time, bu…

I’m sorry, what laptop charger has a brick that’s over 100W?

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Post by yarcob »

alisonkisk wrote: post #494
yarcob wrote: post #381

The nice thing about my 2015 Macbook Pro is that it's useful without any accessories. I can just throw it in a bag and walk out the door. It's got enough battery life that I usually don't need to bring a charger. It has all the ports that I ever need. I can hook it up to a projector with the built in HDMI port, I can put in the SD card from my camera, or I can quickly copy files from someones thumb drive. I don't nee…

An HDMI cable is an accessory. CompactFlash card doesn't fit in an SD port.

Almost every place that has a projector also has an HDMI cable installed.

I haven't used a CF card in the last 10 years or so, but SD cards show up frequently. (Cameras, Rasberry Pi, Prusa 3D printers). For the Raspberry Pi I needed to use an adaptor because it uses smaller cards, but still better than no card reader at all.

But of course that's just my experience. If you use CF a lot, an SD slot won't help.

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Post by fastball »

interestica wrote: post #247
fastball wrote: post #201

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That sounds like a terrible idea. Why have a proprietary charge port if it can also charge with USB-C?

The MS proprietary cable doesn't follow the USB-c spec and can therefore do a lot more (and I think it's still expandable). I think usbc is limited to 20V @ 5a?. And using USBC for charging takes up a data port. And many docks and stands make use of the MS port. And the MS cable is magnetic.

Obviously you’d never just remove the power port and not replace it with anything, you’d replace the power port with another USB-C port.

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Post by beyondcompute »

> …universally hated butterfly keyboards.

Not true. I would choose butterfly over a wobbly one (e.g. 2019 Macbook Pro).

> Nobody wants a dongle.

Not true. I do agree that an SD card slot is convenient to have. But I have no significant problems using an adaptor. USB-A feels like a thing from the past to me. So I am not sure I would want it on the laptop.

The HDMI is the only thing I would not mind to retain (because of overscan issues, etc.)

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Post by oblio »

fastball wrote: post #504
Retric wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

13” Surface laptops had up to 90Wh of battery. Batteries get hot when charging due to inefficiency, meaning it takes more than 90Wh to charge a 90Wh battery. Subtract the power demand while in use and your well over an hour to fully charge. By comparison a quick charge to 80% in under 20 minutes while under full load should be possible assuming sufficient cooling and power. That’s not a huge deal most of the time, bu…

I’m sorry, what laptop charger has a brick that’s over 100W?

There are some. Thinkpads can go to 135 and if I recall correctly, maybe even 170W.

The bricks weigh as much as an ultrabook, though :-D

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Post by Retric »

fastball wrote: post #504
Retric wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

13” Surface laptops had up to 90Wh of battery. Batteries get hot when charging due to inefficiency, meaning it takes more than 90Wh to charge a 90Wh battery. Subtract the power demand while in use and your well over an hour to fully charge. By comparison a quick charge to 80% in under 20 minutes while under full load should be possible assuming sufficient cooling and power. That’s not a huge deal most of the time, bu…

I’m sorry, what laptop charger has a brick that’s over 100W?

Here’s a 230W example: https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Adapter-GTX1070-RTX2070-RTX20...

Their still common with gaming laptops like Razor 15’s. It’s ancient at this point, but a friend used to have a dual GPU laptop that used 2 different AC adapters at the same time.

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Post by chrisseaton »

mrgordon wrote: post #484
bradlys wrote: post #408

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I doubt 95% of users even sync anymore. The only reason you used to do that was for podcasts, music, and backing up. Now, that’s mostly pointless thanks to streaming services and backups you can do in the cloud.

It has nothing to do with syncing. Many people charge their phone off their laptop using the cable.

> Many people charge their phone off their laptop using the (USB-A) cable.

Why would you do that? It's going to be super-slow - I don't believe it supports Fast Charging as the port can't handle the minimum 20 W.

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