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Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by skygazer »

wwweston wrote: post #402
jessriedel wrote: post #298

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Yea, what I really want is physical keys that travel but also have OLED screens built in on the top. Expensive, but best of both worlds.

I wonder if e-ink might be better -- less energy, could work with a general keyboard backlight?

I think e-ink requires a side-light rather than backlight, as the little spheres are opaque, with a dark side and a light side that physically reorient, meaning illumination from a backlight would have to somehow shine through the dark side, when the dark side faced the backlight, but be blocked by the dark side when it faced outward.

Maybe someone can up with a UV transparent dark side and a fluorescing light side or something.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by nrvn »

BluSyn wrote: post #14

My controversial hot take-- I have never needed an SD card, and have gone all-in on USB-C. I will be very disappointed if they add back in USB-A/HDMI/SD ports, or remove USB-C charging in favor of proprietary charge port. Sounds like unnecessary feature bloat. Please just do MagSage + USB-C, so I can maintain my one-cable-for-everything, making traveling lighter and simpler. Here's my counter argument to all those th…

This. Fully agree on usb-c (usb4). Magsafe in some shape or form and just MOAR usb4 ports would suffice.

I am all in with usb-c connector.

Industry is moving forward. Don’t rewind.

P.S. The article behind the link is based on rumors spread by “trusted” Apple “analyst”. Treat those accordingly.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by FabHK »

escapecharacter wrote: post #355
jessriedel wrote: post #298

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Yea, what I really want is physical keys that travel but also have OLED screens built in on the top. Expensive, but best of both worlds.

I hope this is Apple's eventual goal; "expensive and best of both worlds" sounds exactly like something Apple would do.

There was a rumour 3 weeks ago that Apple was "Researching Keyboards With Adaptive Displays on Each Key":

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/29/apple-researching-keybo...

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by alisonkisk »

yarcob wrote: post #381

The nice thing about my 2015 Macbook Pro is that it's useful without any accessories. I can just throw it in a bag and walk out the door. It's got enough battery life that I usually don't need to bring a charger. It has all the ports that I ever need. I can hook it up to a projector with the built in HDMI port, I can put in the SD card from my camera, or I can quickly copy files from someones thumb drive. I don't nee…

An HDMI cable is an accessory.

CompactFlash card doesn't fit in an SD port.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by alisonkisk »

behnamoh wrote: post #451
yarcob wrote: post #381

The nice thing about my 2015 Macbook Pro is that it's useful without any accessories. I can just throw it in a bag and walk out the door. It's got enough battery life that I usually don't need to bring a charger. It has all the ports that I ever need. I can hook it up to a projector with the built in HDMI port, I can put in the SD card from my camera, or I can quickly copy files from someones thumb drive. I don't nee…

Agreed. I wouldn’t touch any post-2015 MBP, but I wish I had bought one with dedicated graphics card. With each new version of macOS, things have gotten so much slower and laggy, even though I have disabled almost every unnecessary process and app in the OS. The other day, I was working with a 2011 MBP with graphics crad and Chrome was much faster in that compared to my 2015 MBP. I think the graphics card does improv…

The dedicated graphics cards have a terrible feisgn flaw that burns 10-20W at idle when an external monitor is plugged in. This is a problem daily, while a non-dGPU laptop handles external monitor just fine.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by csomar »

xirbeosbwo1234 wrote: post #368
csomar wrote: post #357

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Isn't this the reason to push for no more ports than the USB-C. After the Macbook become USB-C only, manufacturers started to move to USB-C instead of USB-A and some of them include an adapter. The quicker we move, the better. It'll be a little painful at first, but then we'll have only USB-C for everything.

When I buy a computer, I want something that makes my life better. I do not want something that deliberately makes my life worse to achieve a strategic goal for Apple Computer. We saw the same thing with Flash. Apple didn't like Flash and wanted it dead. They couldn't manage to kill it off through negotiation or outreach or by offering a better alternative, so they instead decided to weaponize the iPhone by refusing…

Which was a net positive for the Internet? But this is not a companies' war, but rather a specs war (USB vs A bunch). Apple is not pushing for its own interests only on this one, but for the interest of everyone.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by csomar »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #414
csomar wrote: post #357

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Isn't this the reason to push for no more ports than the USB-C. After the Macbook become USB-C only, manufacturers started to move to USB-C instead of USB-A and some of them include an adapter. The quicker we move, the better. It'll be a little painful at first, but then we'll have only USB-C for everything.

I’ve been hearing this argument for years now. Years of pain, and I still don’t feel like we’re any closer to this supposed future. Maybe it was a mistake?

I think we just started. I was shipping for an external hard-drive recently and USB-C seems to be the new standard.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by slmjkdbtl »

shrimpx wrote: post #445
yarcob wrote: post #381

The nice thing about my 2015 Macbook Pro is that it's useful without any accessories. I can just throw it in a bag and walk out the door. It's got enough battery life that I usually don't need to bring a charger. It has all the ports that I ever need. I can hook it up to a projector with the built in HDMI port, I can put in the SD card from my camera, or I can quickly copy files from someones thumb drive. I don't nee…

My take is Jony Ive went extreme on form factor and totally lost his grip on users. He wanted an objectively perfect, extremely thin portless wireless machine. Now that he’s gone the design team is descending from the Ivery tower and undoing his work, meeting users halfway again.

What I don't understand is how a not user-centered idealist designer can reach the top in Apple, my thought has been Apple is already big enough to care more about innovation and experiment instead of current user need, or it's just their motto to influence users instead of listen to them.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by behnamoh »

wartijn_ wrote: post #490
behnamoh wrote: post #257

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I agree. Reading all these comments made me realize how selfish some people could be.

I think that's a weird realization. Those other people don't use those port so they want everyone to have a MacBook without them. You want those port so you want everyone to have a MacBook without them. Or wanting either of those tings is selfish, and you should've realized that what you want is selfish, or both aren't.

You're wrong. What they want literally makes the MBP not usable for many others, whereas what I (and many others) want doesn't affect the usability/performance of the MBP for anyone.

Re: Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features

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Post by behnamoh »

alisonkisk wrote: post #495
behnamoh wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I wouldn’t touch any post-2015 MBP, but I wish I had bought one with dedicated graphics card. With each new version of macOS, things have gotten so much slower and laggy, even though I have disabled almost every unnecessary process and app in the OS. The other day, I was working with a 2011 MBP with graphics crad and Chrome was much faster in that compared to my 2015 MBP. I think the graphics card does improv…

The dedicated graphics cards have a terrible feisgn flaw that burns 10-20W at idle when an external monitor is plugged in. This is a problem daily, while a non-dGPU laptop handles external monitor just fine.

No it doesn't. My MBP can't handle a 27 inch external monitor without putting so much pressure on the CPU. If it had a dedicated GPU, that would take care of video output and not make the mac drain its battery by having the CPU fans at +6500 RPM all the time.
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