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I found this text from religios text(Islamic) Although the star of Süreyya(pleiades) is many stars, Arabs call Süreyya as a star. It is a community of seven stars. Six of them are visible and one is hidden. People test their eyesight by seeing or not seeing it. And Islamic history is 1400 years old.
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I don't think we need this kind of hocus pocus to explain this. Frist candidate for an explanation: * Stories get passed on and some are surprisingly stable. Second candidate for an explanation: * The underpinnings of the architecture of the mind cause the same stories to (re?)surface everywhere. Let's use occams razor. (I don't claim this argument disproves the "theory" of archetypes. But we should not jump to concl…
What is the difference between your second point and "archetypes"?
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It would be pretty odd to add one they couldn’t see though, right?
Yes, but as has been noted multiple times in this thread, there are more than 6 visible stars in the cluster. They're just not visible at all times of year, and certainly impossible to see for most of us who live in/near cities.
Depending on how one defines the limit of what can be seen, there are either 0 stars, or 6 stars, or 9 stars, or hundreds. But only someone with very, very exceptional eyesight under very, very exceptional conditions can actually see seven stars but not nine.
Source: I've been observing the cluster, and the sky as a whole, for decades. I'll draw the locations of the six notable stars just as easily as some will draw the big dipper. And I've never, in decades of observing under many different conditions from different latitudes, ever seen seven stars.
Seven is a common story-telling number. Seven days in a week, sailing the seven seas, the seven wonders of the world, the seven continents, seven deadly sins, etc.
Sun, moon, mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, mercury.
https://astronomy.com/news/2020/01/why-does-a-week-have-seve...
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idk about you but when i look at it I see 6. been trying to spot #7, no luck so far.
I imagine hunter-gatherers, whose life depended on their eyesight acuity, would be find it easier to spot than most modern humans do.
I find it highly doubtful multiple coherent narratives could survive over a hundred thousand year span of oral storytelling.
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Yes, but as has been noted multiple times in this thread, there are more than 6 visible stars in the cluster. They're just not visible at all times of year, and certainly impossible to see for most of us who live in/near cities.
This is not true. The Pleiades cluster looks the same all year round. Depending on how one defines the limit of what can be seen, there are either 0 stars, or 6 stars, or 9 stars, or hundreds. But only someone with very, very exceptional eyesight under very, very exceptional conditions can actually see seven stars but not nine. Source: I've been observing the cluster, and the sky as a whole, for decades. I'll draw th…
> And I've never, in decades of observing under many different conditions from different latitudes, ever seen seven stars.
This really only tells us about you. Even if your vision is 20/20, your experience doesn't preclude the possibility of someone else discerning Pleione. And if they can, that ability can definitely be determined by time of year; which affects not only where the Pleiades are in the sky (e.g. how much air mass you're looking through), but also things like turbulence and humidity.
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> how it even does reenforce that idea. It reinforces “Christ as the son of God” because, if the phrase is translated as “sons of God”, that sets a precedent in the Old Testament that God has sons. The Jews do not believe God has sons. Christians do. So it is in the best interest of Christian translators to translate that phrase as “sons of God”. > but the claim that the translation "sons of god" is specifically wron…
Now I am confused, maybe because I am not religious. But I have always been under the impression that the christians claim jesus is the only son of their god? Wouldn't other sons conflict with this and not reinforce it?
„The Christian doctrine of the Trinity […] holds that God is one God, but three coeternal and consubstantial persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one ‚substance, essence or nature‘. In this context, a ‚nature‘ is what one is, whereas a ‚person‘ is who one is“, from [0] where you can also read a lot more about it.
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And same. I believe there's also a theory that the neanderthals were smarter than our ancestors of the time. That would also fit the story. I can imagine the homo sapiens of the time interacting with the far stronger and smarter neanderthals and describing them as 'sons of god'. I wonder if that's also where the old Greek myths of Hercules (etc) came from.
AFAICT, the Greek pantheon (Hercules etc) is commonly assumed to belong to a religious belief system that in large part aligns with the spread of the Indo-European language, probably (maybe) originating with the Yamnaya culture on the Pontic steppe north of the Black sea according to what is called the Kurgan hypothesis [0][1]. The culture and language seems to have spread across large parts of the Indo-European land…
"Despite the popularity of Greek mythology in western culture, Greek mythology is generally seen as having little importance in comparative mythology due to the heavy influence of Pre-Greek and Near Eastern cultures, which overwhelms what little Indo-European material can be extracted from it."