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Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by jfrunyon »

laresistance wrote: post #174
btown wrote: post #79

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> I can't believe people talk like this on a work public channel. Not sure if you're referring to the instance of the egregious anti-Semitic joke (CW for that link, btw), or to the bulk of the communications, but for any who feel the latter, that any conversation involving Nazism is improper, I'd consider a counterpoint: We're in an industry where it's very easy for our work to be used for horrible things, where inde…

> vs. words that concisely warn colleagues that something is going beyond political ideology and towards a pattern of racially-motivated behavior that places people in grave danger, we haven't learned our lessons from history. Don't the more radical leftist circles fit exactly this description, except that they just paint a different racial group as the enemy?

What "racial group" do "radical leftist circles" paint as the enemy, pray tell? And how does one bad thing justify another bad thing?

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by drstewart »

geofft wrote: post #146
drstewart wrote: post #142

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Except that the comments weren't in the context of any product initiative or related to company business at all. I'm sure Christians or other religious sects feel that it's essential that they proselytize their gospel to you, but I don't think you'd be very happy if you were getting bombarded with messages about it at work. There's really no reason the kinds of conversations linked above should be happening with freq…

The comment in question was "stay safe homies nazis are about". Telling employees to stay safe is absolutely related to company business. Not having employees be killed by Nazis is absolutely an important part of product initiatives.

I'm talking about the conversations linked in the Engadget article.

Though by that ludicrous logic you can say anything is company business. Saving an employees morality is absolutely important to a company from a Christians prospective. So is preventing them from dying, so surely you're okay with people harassing you at work about skydiving or rock climbing or drug use?

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by stunt »

pc86 wrote: post #157

It's a good thing Nat took the time to tell us that GitHub condemns the attack on the US Capitol. We might not know otherwise. I mean seriously, why do corporations feel the need to say this nonsense? Are we really at the point where a corporation needs to waste time to tell us "hey y'all, in case you weren't sure, we don't actually support an armed insurrection attempting to stop the democratic transfer of power, an…

I agree! That's probably why their employees are also wasting their time discussing politics in the work public channel. And I don't mean it should be forbidden to talk about politics in the work public channel. It happens, but I have seen that Github has a lot of it.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by jakelazaroff »

drstewart wrote: post #182
geofft wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment in question was "stay safe homies nazis are about". Telling employees to stay safe is absolutely related to company business. Not having employees be killed by Nazis is absolutely an important part of product initiatives.

I'm talking about the conversations linked in the Engadget article. Though by that ludicrous logic you can say anything is company business. Saving an employees morality is absolutely important to a company from a Christians prospective. So is preventing them from dying, so surely you're okay with people harassing you at work about skydiving or rock climbing or drug use?

What impact does an employee’s “morality” have on the business, from a Christian perspective? I don’t actually believe there’s a cogent argument that e.g. premarital sex makes someone less effective at their job.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by benjohnson »

scatters wrote: post #108
benjohnson wrote: post #83

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My best attempt at equivelent from the right would be "stay safe, the Thugs are rioting" during a BLM protest. If that doesn't seem fair and feels condescending to you, then you can probably imagine how some on the right feel.

You really went for "thug"? Instead of, say, the equivalent far-left blood-soaked ideology of communism? I think it's clear how you feel about BLM.

I had to use Thug - because Thug is derogatory for everybody.

Communism is only derogatory for the few people that understand history

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by guenthert »

kyleblarson wrote: post #141

Don't discuss politics at work. It's unprofessional.

It perhaps helps to elaborate on why this is considered unprofessional. I'd think that for many their political viewpoints are more important than their current job. However their peers with whom they intend to discuss those, might not be in a position which allows them that choice.

Free discussions are necessary, but do it tactfully (and certainly not in writing as that just invites disaster as statements are taken out of context).

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by readthenotes1 »

geofft wrote: post #130
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #67

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How is that denying there are Nazis?

If you read the full sentence in the article, you will note that it continues by saying that the label is "slandering." Something has to be untrue for it to be slander. Therefore, by saying that labeling people in the crowd as Nazis is slander, it denies that there were Nazis in the crowd.

Something has to be defamatory and expressed orally for it to be slander. Apparently, all the labeling should have been around libel.

I am having trouble adjusting to a reality in which I am the first to express this quibble.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/libel-vs-slander-dif...

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by aaomidi »

jedberg wrote: post #160
yongjik wrote: post #153

In HN, I've been seeing way more comments supporting the "freedom of speech" for those who stormed the Capitol, compared to other sites. (That might tell more about what sites I visit, but whatever.) So far I chalked it up to the strong libertarian bent of an average HN user - some people really believe in absolute freedom of speech. While I don't necessarily agree, I can live with that. ...And then I see multiple co…

It's perfectly reasonable to believe in freedom of speech in the public forum but a set of rules and decorum at the workplace. The two should be separate. When people really complain is when someone faces consequences for their public speech at their workplace. But we're still humans and we still care about who we associate with.

A Jewish person should face consequences for being rightfully terrified of what's happening and talking about it with their colleagues?

Yeah no.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by dustinmoris »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #134
odiroot wrote: post #128

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Yes, we don't take calling anyone "Nazi" lightly. Well, at least level-headed people don't. It's disrespectful to the people who were imprisoned, tortured and exterminated by the real Nazis.

As a member of the group of people who were imprisoned, tortured and exterminated by the “real” Nazis, I’d much rather be warned that their successors were involved in an ongoing terrorist attack in the immediate vicinity than tiptoe around the issue to avoid making conservatives uncomfortable.

> avoid making conservatives uncomfortable

Hacker News has a huge global audience. Conservatism means something very different in all parts of the world. I assume you mean Republicans in America? Just to give you context, here in Europe we would consider the Democrats in the US a right conservative party and Republicans a far right party. Conservatives in Europe would be considered far left in the US, because in Europe even the most conservative person would still be in favour or public healthcare, pro gun laws and support many things like rent control or minimum wage. If you try to associate conservatism with American far right groups it only shows your own narrow minded "conservative" understanding of the world.

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