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Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by prepend » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

eganist wrote: post #140

prepend wrote: post #94

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> Literally all of her research involved gathering and communicating... Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. It’s ok to accurately reflect her work and that advanced degrees are hard without assigning incorrect and hyperbolic characteristics.

> Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. My statement is so generic as to be true in the context of fields involving scientific research. And that's in essence the point: that's what data science is in the end. This isn't an attempt to incense those with Data Scientist in their job title or job description, but it's why so many STEM folks can easily find homes in Data Science without fo…

Not really, I don’t think all her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights. There’s lots of other parts of research.

Also, data science is a sort of generic term and trying to generalize to any form of common characteristics is not very productive. I’m not aware of any certified curricula for data science or accreditation bodies so it’s kind of a marketing label assigned to everything from boot camps to GIS programs.

I think this is positive since lots of people work with data. But it’s problematic to assume that it means anything other than someone wants to signal that they work with data.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by walrus01 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

cronix wrote: post #168

walrus01 wrote: post #160

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As shown by the well known bastion of unbiased, neutral, apolitical news... Breitbart . Quite honestly this looks like a toxic, bigoted individual. I'm absolutely unsurprised that some organizations choose not to do business with him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin

So, you don't like him, but that has nothing to do with the principle of banning people from society based on legal speech which is the point I'm making. This sort of behavior is toxic to society at large, and so are the implications. I'm glad your political views are of the correct sort....today. Oh, wikipedia.

Think of the financial institution that chooses not to do business with him as a bakery, and sargon is a gay wedding cake.

Banned from society? I was unaware that you're "banned from society" because private business Patreon doesn't want a relationship with you.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by bitexploder » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #150

bitexploder wrote: post #52

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She didn’t know if she was being arrested and was in pajamas. I’ve read of other famous people being given plenty of time (in FL) to get ready before a search warrant is executed. Considering what we know about Florida and what is happening there with COVID and it’s reporting, I am willing to give her the benefit of doubt. Plus the pretext of the warrant is bad. “Cops just doing their job” doesn’t matter when it is a…

>I’ve read of other famous people being given plenty of time (in FL) I wouldn't call it an injustice that she wasn't granted some sort of special treatment that's normally reserved for "famous people".

It’s more about fair and equal treatment, whatever that is. The hypocrisy of modern policing is extreme. Should she have been given more or less time? Clearly give different treatment to some people. The law is supposed to be impartial. And in a case that is already political suppression of first amendment rights, it stands out.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by mjevans » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

LocalH wrote: post #121

>After she was fired, Jones started her own online COVID-19 dashboard. But she said Saturday that she may no longer be allowed access to computers, the internet or other electronic devices as a condition of her release from jail pending trial. In the modern day, with so much that is online or involving computers, this should be considered unjust punishment, the likes of which should be reserved only for child moleste…

I'd draw the line at supervised access to conversation with normal people at: if someone is in jail maybe (this is a DIFFERENT debatable topic, beyond this context) their other rights are also suspended during the sentence.

Someone whom is not in jail, who is otherwise allowed to participate in society; abridging their rights of freedom of speech, expression, and discourse with others? That seems over-broad.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by syshum » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

overscore wrote: post #143

trasz wrote: post #135

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Only if the charges are heavy enough, and even then it usually happens in civilized way, not like SWAT.

It happens in Ireland all the time for personal amounts of drugs. They are generally unarmed raids unless it's a gangland case, though.

>>It happens in Ireland

hmm

>>They are generally unarmed raids

So then does not happen all the time in Ireland

You should really look into how the US conducts "raids" even when there is no "gangland" case involved.

They have one procedure for all raids, and it very militaristic, they are always armed, and it is ALWAYS excessive and violent.

What you are calling a "raid" in Ireland would not be what we in the US called a Raid which is very specific activity of police

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by syshum » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

xibalba wrote: post #76

nix23 wrote: post #43

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>>with dual degrees in earth science and journalism in 2012 >>received a dual master's degree in geography and mass communication >>where she completed course work with an emphasis on data science and was working on a doctoral dissertation titled Using Native American Sitescapes to Extend the North American Paleotempestological Record Through Coupled Remote Sensing and Climatological Analysis https://en.wikipedia.org…

Which of those degrees qualifies her as a data scientist capable of contravening WHO recommendations? Moreover, she is repeatedly referred to in the press as a data scientist, but all accounts of her actual work are that of a dashboard developer. Having done both myself, I can attest that they are very different types of work warranting very different training.

I love that all the replies are just competing appeals to Authority

"My Experts™ are more Experts™ than your Experts™"

Not a single person in this thread as actually made any factual statements or presented any actual evidence of either sides correctness or validity.

It simply "She has these degree;s so we should listens" vs "The WHO Says...."

It would be amusing if it was not so sad...

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by stretchcat » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #169

stretchcat wrote: post #151

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In Florida, even web developers are allowed to own guns. It sounds like the cops kept a level head and didn't shoot anybody. This was probably pretty routine for Florida cops.

This particular warrant case is not being searched for any violent behavior and has no history of violence, with the warrant happening in a place with no history of violence or abuse. There is no reason to be pulling guns in a home with children as soon as one enters it. It shouldn’t be routine to draw weapons in a place where there is no reason to presume weapons exist.

It being Florida is enough reason to presume guns might be present in the house. Note that contrary to the expectations of many foreigners, Florida does not have a list of all Floridians who own guns. In fact it's actually illegal for the state to create such a list.

The children seem to be irrelevant; if children weren't in the house I doubt you'd suddenly be fine with what the cops did, so the presence of children doesn't contribute to your point. Furthermore some of the narratives about what happened are greatly exaggerating the situation, claiming that cops pointed guns in the faces of children. I've seen no evidence of this happening, so I think some people are cynically pointing to the children in an attempt to emotionally manipulate others. I don't see any other reason to mention the kids. They simply aren't relevant to the story.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by overscore » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:29 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #175

overscore wrote: post #143

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It happens in Ireland all the time for personal amounts of drugs. They are generally unarmed raids unless it's a gangland case, though.

>>It happens in Ireland hmm >>They are generally unarmed raids So then does not happen all the time in Ireland You should really look into how the US conducts "raids" even when there is no "gangland" case involved. They have one procedure for all raids, and it very militaristic, they are always armed, and it is ALWAYS excessive and violent. What you are calling a "raid" in Ireland would not be what we in the US calle…

Different threat models, but a raid is a raid.

Just like an arrest is an arrest, even though in the US it will necessarily involve firearms and in Ireland, it almost never will.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by isoskeles » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

stretchcat wrote: post #158

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #130

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It was a sunny morning, not the middle of the night. Obviously that's a minor detail, but it's indicative of a larger problem - there's been a big game of telephone on the actual circumstances of this raid, so your mental image of what happened may be different than what the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7ITokML-A ) shows.

Is the timestamp on that video accurate? T13:26 sounds like the early afternoon, not even the morning let alone late at night.

T13:26:00Z

Z is for "Zulu" time zone (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9706688/what-does-the-z-...)

So hour 13:00 in Z would be 8:00 am in Florida.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by pjc50 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

cronix wrote: post #156

LocalH wrote: post #121

>After she was fired, Jones started her own online COVID-19 dashboard. But she said Saturday that she may no longer be allowed access to computers, the internet or other electronic devices as a condition of her release from jail pending trial. In the modern day, with so much that is online or involving computers, this should be considered unjust punishment, the likes of which should be reserved only for child moleste…

How about blacklisting people from monetary/financial services such as banks and credit card co's based on their political views? That goes even further. https://spectator.us/topic/financial-blacklisting-sargon-akk... https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/02/27/financial-blacklis...

People were banned from financial services for growing weed and being sex workers, largely at the request of the right. And now the right is complaining this is coming back to them.