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Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by jjcon »

hedora wrote: post #103
nix23 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True with complex stuff, but we talk about covid-cases/day/region...that's really something everyone should interpret correctly.

Yeah; some sibling comments here say Covid stats are difficult to interpret, but cite phenomena (non random samples, false positives, conflation of population and sample statistics, etc) that should be covered by any reasonable introductory statistics course. In the US, that’s first or second year undergrad territory. Overseas, it’s often covered in high school. It’s particularly depressing that science reporters reg…

Mods this is obviously a nix23 alt account which was already flagged in multiple places by mods for spamming flame bait. Both accounts post in the same places regularly.

But I’ll bite. The point of providing an example is to show how there can be unobvious effects that are specific to the medical field (and isn’t as simple as cases per day). It takes Doctors and statisticians working together to interpret this info correctly. And no not al the effects are covered in stats101 despite how the freshman may protest.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by fdschoeneman »

nix23 wrote: post #109
fdschoeneman wrote: post #102

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I don't think the degrees you've cited necessarily make one a data scientist. I think doing data scientist work makes you a data scientist. So it may well be best to consider her a data scientist based on her current work or even if it is more of a hobby, even if your degree argument isn't the one I'd use. Nevertheless, Ms. Jones was paid as a web developer by the state, not as a data scientist, and if she was publis…

>I think doing data scientist work makes you a data scientist Then we just hope you Surgeon is not like that, and has at least a degree in Medicine.

I get what you're saying, but is a hospital likely to employ a surgeon without a degree in medicine?

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by PeterisP »

foepys wrote: post #56
koolba wrote: post #13

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> Having cops invade her home and hold her children at gunpoint didn’t scare her into becoming his scapegoat, so it’s important to escalate the campaign of violence against her. You make it sound like the police broke into her home and deliberately pointed weapons at her children. That’s completely bullshit. The police had a warrant signed by a judge. They repeatedly asked her to open the door, she refused. This went…

Don't Americans have the right for their lawyer or a trusted witness to be present during search warrants? If they do, why would police ever expect to enter without delay?

Coming from a place where search warrants do have be executed with the oversight of the owner or their representative, police would still expect to enter without delay.

In a situation like this there may be a pause until the owner or lawyer arrives, but during that pause the people would not be permitted to be in the to-be-searched location without police supervision; the owner has the right to supervise police while they are searching, but they don't have any privacy right to do stuff there before letting the police in; if the lawyer's presence is required then whoever is in that location would let the police in and wait for the lawyer together with the police officers with neither doing anything until the search commences. If noone is present, then the police may seal the door while they wait for the owner or their representative to arrive; or, alternatively (e.g. if the owner is on the run), there is a process to recruit neutral witnesses from the community, e.g. having your neighbours supervise the search and sign off on what was taken out during the search.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by isoskeles »

elmomle wrote: post #54
koolba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having cops invade her home and hold her children at gunpoint didn’t scare her into becoming his scapegoat, so it’s important to escalate the campaign of violence against her. You make it sound like the police broke into her home and deliberately pointed weapons at her children. That’s completely bullshit. The police had a warrant signed by a judge. They repeatedly asked her to open the door, she refused. This went…

The only person who put those children at risk was the mother who refused to cooperate with a legally signed warrant. Wow, let's extend that reasoning just a bit further. If someone SWATs me (or pulls strings to get a warrant for my arrest), and I don't open the door immediately, I bear the responsibility for putting my family at risk?

Immediately? She had over 20 minutes of knocking and a few phone calls in that period. People should watch the video and think about how long of a time 20 minutes is. They’ll most likely even find it boring and start skipping ahead to more knocking without a response.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by mdoms »

xibalba wrote: post #36
jkhdigital wrote: post #25

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Agreed--as a Florida resident, I have heard a variety of highly-charged opinions on this story from many of my fellow residents, but very few hard facts to confirm or deny any particular narrative. I think the raid on Ms. Jones home was a grotesque and unwarranted use of police force, but I also think her "whistle-blowing" story is highly questionable based on the facts available.

If you have few hard facts, how are you evaluating the justification for raiding her home?

I'd suggest you have a look at how policing is done outside of USA. A raid on someone's home is almost never justified - it would take highly exceptional circumstances to make a "normal" police force perform like that.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by qwerty12345678 »

Pfhreak wrote: post #6

This is an obviously politically motivated use of state violence, and I hope this case goes in her favor.

So in other words, that's what you want to believe, so you will believe it without any actual facts. Ignorant people like you worsen the division in America.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by spoonjim »

xibalba wrote: post #36
jkhdigital wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed--as a Florida resident, I have heard a variety of highly-charged opinions on this story from many of my fellow residents, but very few hard facts to confirm or deny any particular narrative. I think the raid on Ms. Jones home was a grotesque and unwarranted use of police force, but I also think her "whistle-blowing" story is highly questionable based on the facts available.

If you have few hard facts, how are you evaluating the justification for raiding her home?

In some countries, a surprise raid of your home means “we think you have hostages in your basement” or something at that level.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by selimthegrim »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #31
tyingq wrote: post #23

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"not innocent" Like criminally not innocent? Not clear on what you mean hear.

The State of Florida has handled the case in a Hollywood-level of bungling, thuggish ineptitude. Both sides in this case are dirty. As an active Floridian, I've followed the Covid numbers closely, and at first her story was deeply worrying. But her actual data arguments are idiotic. She doesn't understand data analysis at all. Meanwhile the State acts like the Mafia. Ron DeSantis has been one of the dumber governers…

Can you give an example of one of her idiotic arguments?
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