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The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by umvi »

qppo wrote: post #45
submeta wrote: post #30

When you finally learn to master and config Emacs, you run circles around all other editors. Emacs is so much more than just an editor. But even if you only use it for coding: Magit is the best git client I have used in years (coming from PyCharm + Git Tower App, which is nice), then there‘s Ztree-Diff (excellent folder diff tool; previously using Kaleidoscope app), then Eshell for interacting with the server from wi…

You can do all that and more in vscode as well... you just have to "learn to master and config" it with your own plugins in JS. It's not that hard.

I tend to let other people "master and config" VSCode and then I just go download their extensions. IMO that's the beauty of VSCode - critical mass

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by nednar »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #15

I run neovim within vscode with neovim plugin. Relatively easy and fast to get started, takes time to reconfigure lsp and clean up shortcuts conflicts, but that is about it

Is there a way to standardize your fixes for others, e.g. through a pull request to teh neovim plugin?

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by throwawaybchr »

submeta wrote: post #30

When you finally learn to master and config Emacs, you run circles around all other editors. Emacs is so much more than just an editor. But even if you only use it for coding: Magit is the best git client I have used in years (coming from PyCharm + Git Tower App, which is nice), then there‘s Ztree-Diff (excellent folder diff tool; previously using Kaleidoscope app), then Eshell for interacting with the server from wi…

For many who don't have experience, lisps are intimidating

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by oblio »

irrational wrote: post #27
elagost wrote: post #9

This is really well written and researched but confuses me. Do most people not do this - make choices based on values (and constantly re-evaluate those choices in the face of new information)? When I decide to use software, move to a new location, purchase cereal at the grocery store, buy music, and a variety of other daily activities, these are choices I make based on my values. Many times I end up picking something…

I don’t have any values that would affect the cereal I buy. I’m not even sure what values would come into play. I don’t buy cereal that isn’t magically delicious? I just buy whatever is cheapest. Is not having much money a value? Other than Richard Stallman, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone talk about how their personal values determine what software they will use. If I can afford it (free is better!) and it does…

I can't say I choose based on values, but I can give you an example of what people may mean by choosing based on values.

Apparently a Nestlé representative recently declared that if a law that requires large corporations to disclose and to stop getting raw materials from suppliers which use forced labor (i.e. slavery) passes, coffee customers might be impacted, probably by higher coffee prices. It's at best a clumsy statement and at worst an endorsement of slavery (!), all for reducing coffee costs by probably a few percent.

A moral choice, based on values, would be to never buy coffee from Nestlé brands and instead buy from companies that guarantee that their suppliers don't use forced labor.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by sedev »

submeta wrote: post #30

When you finally learn to master and config Emacs, you run circles around all other editors. Emacs is so much more than just an editor. But even if you only use it for coding: Magit is the best git client I have used in years (coming from PyCharm + Git Tower App, which is nice), then there‘s Ztree-Diff (excellent folder diff tool; previously using Kaleidoscope app), then Eshell for interacting with the server from wi…

From a recent HN discussion, I learned that emacs has had a sampling profiler built in — not on MELPA or something, first-party! — since about 2013. How many widely-used applications these days contain a facility for asking "why is the command I just issued executing slowly?" and for _doing something about it?_ As far as I'm concerned, that's now table stakes for a programming environment: you should be able to not just run a profiler on whatever program you're using the editor to interact with, but to do robust profiling on your editor itself.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by natchy »

galfarragem wrote: post #20

Noob question: Is Sublime text still a good text-editor in 2021? Did it just loose momentum or not being open-source is insurmountable? I still think its speed and usability are not easy to match.

It’s my primary editor. It’s a better text editor than VsCode, but VsCode is a better IDE.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by mpalmer »

aprdm wrote: post #17

Our text editor is a tool, there’s no fundamental value in a tool vs the other, they do not possess life. They’re tools like a fork is a tool. I wonder what of the things you use in the day to day you analyze so deeply, your microwave ? The forks you buy? Might be an interesting exercise of thought but for something that I use to make money, I will use the best tool available for the job, thank you very much.

You didn't even skim the headline correctly.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by thom »

qppo wrote: post #45
submeta wrote: post #30

When you finally learn to master and config Emacs, you run circles around all other editors. Emacs is so much more than just an editor. But even if you only use it for coding: Magit is the best git client I have used in years (coming from PyCharm + Git Tower App, which is nice), then there‘s Ztree-Diff (excellent folder diff tool; previously using Kaleidoscope app), then Eshell for interacting with the server from wi…

You can do all that and more in vscode as well... you just have to "learn to master and config" it with your own plugins in JS. It's not that hard.

Have you found that other extension authors have this in mind? Most extensions don't seem to be built with hooks in mind so you're kinda stuck with either the existing extension or rolling your own. There also aren't very good primitives for most use cases because of this. I assume VSCode will get there though.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by tkuraku »

galfarragem wrote: post #20

Noob question: Is Sublime text still a good text-editor in 2021? Did it just loose momentum or not being open-source is insurmountable? I still think its speed and usability are not easy to match.

I think sublime is a fantastic text editor. But it just doesn't cut it for me as a development environment. Getting productive in vscode is easy. It just works. Though Sublime hq's sublime merge git client is fantastic. I don't really care about sublime text anymore, but I'm a devoted user of sublime merge.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by eigenket »

irrational wrote: post #27
elagost wrote: post #9

This is really well written and researched but confuses me. Do most people not do this - make choices based on values (and constantly re-evaluate those choices in the face of new information)? When I decide to use software, move to a new location, purchase cereal at the grocery store, buy music, and a variety of other daily activities, these are choices I make based on my values. Many times I end up picking something…

I don’t have any values that would affect the cereal I buy. I’m not even sure what values would come into play. I don’t buy cereal that isn’t magically delicious? I just buy whatever is cheapest. Is not having much money a value? Other than Richard Stallman, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone talk about how their personal values determine what software they will use. If I can afford it (free is better!) and it does…

Personally I do buy cereal partially based on values. I absolutely refuse to buy stuff from nestle.
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