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Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by GordonS » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #192

GordonS wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but it's not "extremely common" to read any high-brow publications on politics and economics.

Well, it’s used frequently in counties that used to be part of the British Empire it appears. Australians use it all the time.

I'm a Brit, pushing 40. I'm educated to degree level (1st class, FWIW), and very well read (including the venerable Pratchett, though I don't think I have read Jingo yet).

I think I heard the word "jingoism" for the first time ever around 5 years ago. It is not a word one hears very often, and it certainly didn't come to mind from "JingOS".

If you often read high-brow political publications you may come across "jingoism" on the daily, but that is obviously not a huge cross-section of the public.

TBH, kind of bizarre how strongly this jingoism thing is being pushed in this thread.

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by dr_zoidberg » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

I found it amusing how on the one side we're being told is a full-fledged Linux under the hood, and on the other side they felt it was worth noting that it comes with a native calculator app.

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by Grustaf » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #196

dathinab wrote: post #148

This looks like a legal nightmare. I mean there are all kinds of protections of visual thinks like e.g. design patents. I would be highly surprised if this doesn't violate at least one or two apple hold still valid design patents or other protection mechanisms. Because lets be honest design/visual wise it's less iPad/iOs inspired but a bland clone of the iOs design on iPad with some/many minor but in the grater pictu…

Not a lawyer here but have UI design patents ever held up in court? All modern UI is derivative in some way. Apple lost a case to Microsoft on similar grounds. > The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Micros... .

Didn't they win the billion dollar lawsuit when Samsung copied iOS almost as blatantly as this?

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by Grustaf » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #183

dathinab wrote: post #148

This looks like a legal nightmare. I mean there are all kinds of protections of visual thinks like e.g. design patents. I would be highly surprised if this doesn't violate at least one or two apple hold still valid design patents or other protection mechanisms. Because lets be honest design/visual wise it's less iPad/iOs inspired but a bland clone of the iOs design on iPad with some/many minor but in the grater pictu…

It's a user interface, therefore it has to be familiar. What if cars all had the steering wheel in a different location?

Windows is much more different from iOS than this. So is KDE, ChromeOS etc. Even Android is. This is a straight copy, why pretend otherwise?

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by Grustaf » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

twelvechairs wrote: post #171

SmileyJames wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a Chinese company

> We are based in Beijing and California. from their 'about' page

They can still be a 100% Chinese company.

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by yewenjie » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

Is there any easy to setup Linux software for touch-screen keyboard and auto detecting rotations in 2 in 1 laptops?

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by orblivion » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

bArray wrote: post #6

> Available from Jan 31, 2021 So, is this going to be a paid for product? I am looking at what looks like is their GitHub page, and it's basically empty? https://github.com/JingOS-team

According to their FAQ they plan to update their Github repo every half year: https://forum.jingos.com/t/faq-about-jingos/243

Seems weird to me.

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by zhobbs » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #27

I wonder if this is going to be the OS of choice for flea-market iPad counterfeits/knockoffs... the Files screen even says "On my Pad" in the shown screenshot. Everything looks close enough to be able to possibly fool an untrained eye.

I would think an Android skin would still be preferable. Much bigger ecosystem of touch optimized apps.

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by seniorivn » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #187

footrot wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pad is also a star trek throw back, and a word. I don't see why apple should have dominion on that word. Short and succinct.

They have dominion of the word “Apple” in the context of consumer electronics, and “Pad” is easy to misread in context as “iPad”, leaving open the reasonable possibility of customer confusion. That’s basically what trademarks are both for and there to prevent.

This Pad thing only relevant because they copycat all up/ux

It would be totally justified to call new/innovative tablet/OS a Pad

Re: JingOS: Linux Distro Inspired by the iPad

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Post by dathinab » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:26 PM UTC

justaj wrote: post #200

dathinab wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean besides: - making it illegal to import any product having it installed - making it illegal to host a copy in the US/EU/UK and probably other places, too

Does that also mean that you won't be able to download the distro if Apple successfully files a copyright violation against the company behind JingOS?

Legally seen it could lead to this, I guess?

But practically you could just download it from idk. a server not in the US/EU/UK, or a server in the US/EU/UK which doesn't know (or care) about the problem. Or from a torrent or similar.

Furthermore (assuming Apples sues and wins a case) I don't think they will bother trying preventing a (for them) small amount of private people from using it. Through if it becomes more successful it's likely another matter.

What they care about is that you can't buy a tablet of which the UI looks, feels and behaves like iOs.

I just fear this might be abused by Apple or other entities as an argument why devices should be looked down and users must not be allowed to install their own Os as this would lead to all kind of fraud and lost revenue. (Just to be clear I'm fully aware that for a tech aware person this argument makes no sense, but propose it to an old politician who doesn't really understand anything IT related and they might believe you, and at least in Germany we have way to many tech incompetent politicians...)

EDIT: Also in the parent post I probably should have used the term distribute inside of the EU/US/... Anyway I'm not a lawyer so the exact terminology might not be quite right.