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‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know anything about the Singularity Hub, but this article is just a repost of a Creative Commons licensed article from The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-oldest-story-astronom... Ideally this story should be changed to this URL which has further comments by the author attached to it. Also The Conversation is a legitimate Australian academic site.

wow. they basically copy & pasted the conversation article... or the other way around?

The Conversation literally has a button you can click to help you copy & paste the article. And there's attribution at the end of the Singularity Hub repost. There's nothing shady going on here.

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subaru does not translate to "seven sisters" (or even six sisters) so bringing up Subaru would undermine the claim of the article

Not directly. Translation would be "to govern" or "gather together", but Subaru is one of the constellation's names in Japan, like it would also be called Pleiades in the West, deriving from "plein", meaning "to sail."[0] [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20100411083646/http://www.subaru...

I think his point is while Subaru does mean Pleiades in Japanese (actually came from Chinese), it (the name) has nothing to do with "seven sisters".

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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I must say the Singularity Hub web presence looks snake-oily to me. Why do they call it a "university"? Why do they call some of the members "faculty"? Why do they claim Ray Kurzweil has "a thirty-year track record of accurate predictions"? ( https://singularityhub.com/experts/ ) Any idea why they brand it like this? Who is supposed to take this seriously? I'm EU-based and here you're not allowed to claim that your o…

I also live in the EU, but the EU did not invented universities, and hence whichever bureaucratic definition it made up, shouldn't be used as a measure for universities outside the EU.

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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What accounts for the missing sister though? If the seventh sister was last visible 50000-100000 years ago, how the myths are trying to account for it now without the memory?

Perhaps there was a long time where people with slightly better eyesight could tell them apart while others couldn't, or when atmospheric conditions would obscure it. That might seed stories of the last sister being missing or coming and going.

We need numbers to calculate the likeliness of such scenario, but you just change the scale of the time from 100000 to let's say 30000 years.

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What accounts for the missing sister though? If the seventh sister was last visible 50000-100000 years ago, how the myths are trying to account for it now without the memory?

I think the idea of the 100,000 years of memory is plausible, but I think it's likely to persist because the number seven seems to be universally important to humans. People could potentially have superimposed the number seven on the story, as per the rainbow's seven colours and Newton.

Since when is 7 important though? The species didn't have much of a math up until 5000-10000 years ago.

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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I must say the Singularity Hub web presence looks snake-oily to me. Why do they call it a "university"? Why do they call some of the members "faculty"? Why do they claim Ray Kurzweil has "a thirty-year track record of accurate predictions"? ( https://singularityhub.com/experts/ ) Any idea why they brand it like this? Who is supposed to take this seriously? I'm EU-based and here you're not allowed to claim that your o…

I don't know anything about the Singularity Hub, but this article is just a repost of a Creative Commons licensed article from The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-oldest-story-astronom... Ideally this story should be changed to this URL which has further comments by the author attached to it. Also The Conversation is a legitimate Australian academic site.

Comments from the Conversation article also contain a link to download the paper from the author: https://www.dropbox.com/s/np0n4v72bdl37gr/sevensisters.pdf?d...

Re: ‘Seven Sisters’ Myths May Reach Back 100k Years

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I must say the Singularity Hub web presence looks snake-oily to me. Why do they call it a "university"? Why do they call some of the members "faculty"? Why do they claim Ray Kurzweil has "a thirty-year track record of accurate predictions"? ( https://singularityhub.com/experts/ ) Any idea why they brand it like this? Who is supposed to take this seriously? I'm EU-based and here you're not allowed to claim that your o…

Diversion aside, the article is a publication by one Ray Norris, who works in the Astro physics department at CSIRO, Australia's Government funded science org, and also is a Professor for Western Sydney University.

I've met him and listened to his public lectures at Macquarie University. He has been researching Aboriginal Australian Astronomy for decades and is well published in the arena. He and his wife have traveled all over Oz, gathering stories from the Elders of tribes.

I've heard him talk about the Seven Sisters story from Aboriginal accounts, but one particular story stuck out:

Ray mentioned how one particular elder could individually name 50,000 stars, and he dared any Astrophysicist to mention 5,000.

I'd recommend that the baby not be thrown out with the bath water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Norris_(astrophysicist)

http://www.emudreaming.com/Further_reading.htm

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