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Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by chopin24 » Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

estaseuropano wrote: post #651

chopin24 wrote: post #265

For all of you saying we should switch to Matrix, please outline the user sign up flow in your comment. Be detailed. Your audience is your 50 something aunt who calls her iPad her Facebook.

Wow I just had to reset my password and am stunned how broken this process is. 1. Click reset password 2. You enter your email and new password (already here!) 3. A password reset request has been received for your Matrix account. If this was you, please click the link below to confirm resetting your password: [link] If this was not you, do not click the link above and instead contact your server administrator. Thank…

Don’t worry. I already gave up on the sign-up flow when I entered my preferred username and password, then tapped register in the top right corner, only to be confronted with a prompt to —- again enter a username and password of my choice.

I would have to spend hours getting my family signed up for this thing.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by oblio » Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #685

oblio wrote: post #151

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How would things work in practice for a decentralized network? Regular people won't host their own servers.

I keep seeing this argument, and we all know it's bs. 20 years ago there were many email providers, people simply picked one, or hired someone to set it up and run it for them. The same principles should and could apply for decentralized one; pick conversations.im for XMPP, pick matrix.org for Matrix, pick Mastodon.social for fediverse - or something smaller. Or ask someone to do it for you. Or run your own.

That's why XMPP has been a raging success?

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by pmlnr » Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:26 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #732

pmlnr wrote: post #685

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I keep seeing this argument, and we all know it's bs. 20 years ago there were many email providers, people simply picked one, or hired someone to set it up and run it for them. The same principles should and could apply for decentralized one; pick conversations.im for XMPP, pick matrix.org for Matrix, pick Mastodon.social for fediverse - or something smaller. Or ask someone to do it for you. Or run your own.

That's why XMPP has been a raging success?

It was, actually, when gtalk, facebook, and whatsapp (thought I'm not completely sure about this, just have a reasonable suspicion) was using it in the background.

Then money people came, and destroyed it, then the idea of Matrix came, because of Slack, but thanks to people like Daniel Gultsch of https://conversations.im/ , XMPP is actually growing again. Slowly, but steadily: https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by charsi » Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

earth2mars wrote: post #98

alan5 wrote: post #71

I just donated to Signal after seeing the error banner in the app. I realised I was more than happy to pay WhatsApp's yearly charge back in the pre-Facebook days (think it was 70p or so?). Figured I could give Signal a few quid every now and then, maybe keep a server up for a few seconds :) Donation link should anyone be interested: https://signal.org/donate/

me too. just donated. please comment below if you also donated. let's keep this thing running! Its personal interest now, because I moved bunch of groups from whatsapp and its not working now! but at the same I love these guys for what they do.

donated

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by jeofken » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

orf wrote: post #705

jeofken wrote: post #660

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You are right - taxation is coercion and not virtuous. You are also right about representative democracy - the incentive is to have the state fleeze your neighbour as much as possible. For those working in the bureaucracy the incentive is to convince the boss you need a larger budget next year. Certainly far from “love thy neighbour”. Donate yourself, you can be a hundred times more efficient than EU bureaucracy, no…

Eh, but in reality no not really. The PyPy project is one example of a fantastic outcome for OSS (among others): they where heavily reliant on EU funding to get to the point they are now. VLC, glibc, Keepass, Kafka, tomcat and others have had EU funds for their security bounty programs. My 10 EUR contribution to this via my taxes (simplistic and incorrect) is fine. Angry anti-tax anti-big-gov rhetoric involving wishf…

Nothing silly about having principles.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by orf » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

jeofken wrote: post #735

orf wrote: post #705

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, but in reality no not really. The PyPy project is one example of a fantastic outcome for OSS (among others): they where heavily reliant on EU funding to get to the point they are now. VLC, glibc, Keepass, Kafka, tomcat and others have had EU funds for their security bounty programs. My 10 EUR contribution to this via my taxes (simplistic and incorrect) is fine. Angry anti-tax anti-big-gov rhetoric involving wishf…

Nothing silly about having principles.

If those principles and the way you articulate them are obviously silly then yes there very much is

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by iak8god » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 3:51 AM UTC

eitland wrote: post #672

iak8god wrote: post #514

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> But seriously: do you Signal fans have to derail every conversation? I don't really have a horse in this race, just a guy who was scrolling through these comments and was struck how rude and ridiculous this remark is. You're in a discussion thread for an article about Signal. You're the one who brought up Telegram and now you're having a little fit and accusing Signal fans of "derail[ing] every conversation"? This…

> You're in a discussion thread for an article about Signal. You're the one who brought up Telegram This would be a good point, if it wasn't for the point that the only reason I brought up Telegram was to say I was a Telegram user cheering for the Signal team!

Fair.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by oblio » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:34 AM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #733

oblio wrote: post #732

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That's why XMPP has been a raging success?

It was, actually, when gtalk, facebook, and whatsapp (thought I'm not completely sure about this, just have a reasonable suspicion) was using it in the background. Then money people came, and destroyed it, then the idea of Matrix came, because of Slack, but thanks to people like Daniel Gultsch of https://conversations.im/ , XMPP is actually growing again. Slowly, but steadily: https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospecti…

Money will always come. Instant messaging is a mass market tool.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by 8note » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:35 AM UTC

jeofken wrote: post #654

CodeGlitch wrote: post #273

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I really wish the EU would put up funds for open source software, like signal, it seems to be something they could get behind for the greater good. My previous job involved creating a graphical programming language for the generation of GPU shaders, which the EU partly funded. I knew it was going nowhere, and it made me slightly sad tax payer money was being used on something I knew, despite my best efforts, would no…

What you’re wishing for is to force your fellow man to donate to a cause you deem worthy. EU funds don’t come from nowhere - they are taken from citizens. You go donate an hours wage a week instead; that’s virtuous.

Wealth is not distributed in a equitable way, so it seems fine to me.

When CEOs and owners make the same as cashiers, donating by yourself makes sense.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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Post by remirk » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 12:13 PM UTC

robjan wrote: post #608

sean_pedersen wrote: post #94

Time to jump ship! Use element / matrix an open, decentralized, end-to-end encrypted chat protocol with slick clients for Android, iOS, Desktop & Web: https://element.io/ Also easy to self-host a server, if you need full control: $ mkdir -p ~/synapse $ pip3.6 install --user jinja2 matrix-synapse $ cd ~/synapse $ python3.6 -m synapse.app.homeserver \ --server-name my.domain.name \ --config-path homeserver.yaml \ --gen…

Try talking with friends / groups on a few different servers (it's decentralised, remember) and you will soon see what scalability issues are. As you add n servers to grow Signal you need n^x for Matrix.

That's an odd claim. What's your source?

As a longish time Matrix user I've never experienced scalability issues due to federation. The federation actually works pretty well. Scalability from Matrix comes/came due to the fact that some servers were too popular. Though that is actively being worked on: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-sca...