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Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by CalChris »

perardi wrote: post #7
imglorp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vs GM's current token, the Bolt, at $36,500 for 259 mile range, with an 8/100 warranty. It's a perfectly cromulent car at this point: including a couple features Tesla 3 doesn't have like hatchback and headlights that steer into curves. But despite Mary Barra saying they're all-in on electric, it's still a gesture at ~20k sold/year. It's partly on the channels: I had to argue with several dealers to get a test drive…

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by perardi »

acct776 wrote: post #10
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

They were thinking that slowing down EV adoption helps them retain market strength longer. Or gives them more time to adapt/learn before more serious ventures in.

Yeah, it reads like a compliance vehicle. They know they’ll lose money hand over fist, so they made it as much of a nerd pod as possible.

(And there’s a market for nerd pods. See: Prius. But that ain’t Chevy’s market, no sir.)

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by brians »

CalChris wrote: post #11
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

My model 3 has an enclosed trunk. Why would you call it a hatchback?

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by perardi »

CalChris wrote: post #11
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

Oh, Americans actually like vehicles that happen to have a large hatch in the back, but they do not like cars that are shaped like hatchbacks. The Model S is shaped like a sports sedan. It does not look like a hatchback.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by CalChris »

brians wrote: post #13
CalChris wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

My model 3 has an enclosed trunk. Why would you call it a hatchback?

Doh, you're right. (Corrected) I have an S and the 3 isn't a hatchback (but the Y is). Need coffee. And indeed that was the reason I didn't get the 3 when it came out. The S is a little big for me but the 3 isn't a hatchback. I really like the Y though.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

CalChris wrote: post #11
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

I believe the Model S is better described as a liftback than a hatchback.

I think hatchbacks are unpopular in the US for the same reason automatic gearboxes are unpopular in the UK: automakers price them higher and in the smaller car segments (where hatchbacks are more prevalent) carbuyers are more price-sensitive. I don’t know why carmakers price them higher - it seems artificial.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by CalChris »

perardi wrote: post #14
CalChris wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nissan Leaf is a hatchback. The Tesla Model S is a hatchback. So is the Y. You might be right about real Amuricuns but the EV buying segment rather likes hatchbacks. With the exception of one SUV, which I did not like, every car I've ever owned since my first Honda Civic has been a hatchback.

Oh, Americans actually like vehicles that happen to have a large hatch in the back, but they do not like cars that are shaped like hatchbacks. The Model S is shaped like a sports sedan. It does not look like a hatchback.

It is however a hatchback. I dump my bike in the back as I have with every hatchback I've owned. You can even camp in the back. But if you prefer, you can call it a liftback.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by itsoktocry »

perardi wrote: post #7
imglorp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vs GM's current token, the Bolt, at $36,500 for 259 mile range, with an 8/100 warranty. It's a perfectly cromulent car at this point: including a couple features Tesla 3 doesn't have like hatchback and headlights that steer into curves. But despite Mary Barra saying they're all-in on electric, it's still a gesture at ~20k sold/year. It's partly on the channels: I had to argue with several dealers to get a test drive…

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

>“You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks"

Where on earth do you get his from? The top selling cars in the US are mostly SUVs and CUVs. In other words, hatchbacks.

Re: Pristine GM EV1 Preserved by University Caretaker

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Post by greesil »

perardi wrote: post #7
imglorp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vs GM's current token, the Bolt, at $36,500 for 259 mile range, with an 8/100 warranty. It's a perfectly cromulent car at this point: including a couple features Tesla 3 doesn't have like hatchback and headlights that steer into curves. But despite Mary Barra saying they're all-in on electric, it's still a gesture at ~20k sold/year. It's partly on the channels: I had to argue with several dealers to get a test drive…

I have no idea what GM was thinking in regards to the design of the Bolt. “You know what Americans hate? Hatchbacks. So let’s go for that for our big re-entry into the EV market.”

I love my Bolt. Inexpensive, smooth, carries kids, has a roof rack.
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