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Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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post #364

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Where can I read about the signal server-side architecture? Is it open-source as well?

The server is open source https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server Java/DropWizard app

the issue could be network or database related

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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> Telegram is not a secure chat application though. Fun fact: I didn't even write that. The rest is not so much for you personally as for a number Signal fans: I get it, I get it: Signal is best . But seriously: do you Signal fans have to derail every conversation? Do you have to take a jab at every other messenger at every given opportunity? Or can we agree that there's room for more than one solution? Because physi…

> But seriously: do you Signal fans have to derail every conversation? I don't really have a horse in this race, just a guy who was scrolling through these comments and was struck how rude and ridiculous this remark is. You're in a discussion thread for an article about Signal. You're the one who brought up Telegram and now you're having a little fit and accusing Signal fans of "derail[ing] every conversation"? This…

> You're in a discussion thread for an article about Signal. You're the one who brought up Telegram

This would be a good point, if it wasn't for the point that the only reason I brought up Telegram was to say I was a Telegram user cheering for the Signal team!

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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I really wish the EU would put up funds for open source software, like signal, it seems to be something they could get behind for the greater good. My previous job involved creating a graphical programming language for the generation of GPU shaders, which the EU partly funded. I knew it was going nowhere, and it made me slightly sad tax payer money was being used on something I knew, despite my best efforts, would no…

What you’re wishing for is to force your fellow man to donate to a cause you deem worthy. EU funds don’t come from nowhere - they are taken from citizens. You go donate an hours wage a week instead; that’s virtuous.

> What you’re wishing for is to force your fellow man to donate to a cause you deem worthy.

My fellow man sometimes wishes me to fund expensive wars too.

Wishing for how your taxes are spent is an aspect of democracy.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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post #364

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Where can I read about the signal server-side architecture? Is it open-source as well?

The server is open source https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server Java/DropWizard app

This cannot be what they are running in production though right?

And this is also not open source for my understanding: * Last commit was on 2020-04-22 * only a single committer (moxie-signal) * only „bump version to xyz“ commits * not a single PR is getting merged but all are just closed (one references „pr was created on wrong repository“) * not a single code comment in what I saw so far * there are also references to AWS and GCP but I could not find any reference to Microsoft/Azure (where their current IP is pointed to)

Is there some other place where the „real“ open source process is happening? Maybe some sources how their production architecture looks like?

Edit: here is a lot explanation for this https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/kxusy8/signal_needs...

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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post #551

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If they use any of it at all, Signal needs to get any/all remaining infrastructure off AWS as soon as possible.

Why?

What if Amazon finds out they aren’t moderating users’ messages and Signal gets used in some future attack.

It’s not a far leap for Amazon to “take a strong stance against serious threats to our democracy” by kicking off signal.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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post #191

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Very good point. People will happily pay 50 pounds a month for an IPhone and thinking nothing of it. But then really struggle to pay a penny for an app that runs in that iPhone. There’s some funny psychology going on.

There is very little to no awareness of what it takes to create software. We, the developers who have released our work for free, have allowed this to happen. It feels like mobbing, heck, we keep reading about other devs mobbing others by opening GitHub issues and demanding new features or bugfixes for software they did not pay for. I really hope that we can do something about raising awareness.

This got worse with the introduction of GitHub. Obnoxious users were always a problem, but before centralized OSS warehouses at least they had to go to the project's web site and mailing list.

Where they'd be told to get lost if they misbehaved.

With GitHub, the branding of products is lost and most credit goes to GitHub. If a user isn't satisfied, he does the proverbial left-swipe and goes to the next project in a second.

If you tell a user to get lost, you violate the tenets of the new corporate sponsored cultural revolution: Newcomers are always right.

The last 10 years have been a coordinated attack on OSS to make developers obedient and silent cogs. It works, because at present they are showered with money in return.

Will it continue to work in 5 or 10 years?

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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I just wonder about the process and the results. I mean, it doesn't look to me, as if there is a management behind this, that actually has a goal. It looks more like they are giving funds to projects who apply for them. IMO, they should state 3 clear goals and sponsor specific projects which reach those goals. To give some example how those could look like: - create a decentralized, federated instant messaging platfo…

I work in EU research funding programs. The process is very bureaucratic, making it difficult for any small company to apply. Not to mention projects without a company. It's also quite ineffective at giving money to the projects that are meaningful. Large companies and large university projects rake in plenty.

Can confirm, though I need to qualify that most of my experience is in the software related programs.

In each and every framework so far, the EU is touting 'reduced administrative overhead', 'simplification of participation' and 'focus on SME's', but has in practice done exactly the opposite.

Especially since Horizon 2020, there has been a 'coup' by the large enterprise and large academic research groups. You can see the same trends in national programs as well.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

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post #608

Time to jump ship! Use element / matrix an open, decentralized, end-to-end encrypted chat protocol with slick clients for Android, iOS, Desktop & Web: https://element.io/ Also easy to self-host a server, if you need full control: $ mkdir -p ~/synapse $ pip3.6 install --user jinja2 matrix-synapse $ cd ~/synapse $ python3.6 -m synapse.app.homeserver \ --server-name my.domain.name \ --config-path homeserver.yaml \ --gen…

Try talking with friends / groups on a few different servers (it's decentralised, remember) and you will soon see what scalability issues are. As you add n servers to grow Signal you need n^x for Matrix.

x=1? But for real good point, I don't know how Matrix scales vs Signal.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

#679

I'm afraid Signal really dropped the ball on this one. I'd be surprised if any of the new 50M users stick around after this fiasco. Also, this doesn't seem to actually be a scaling/hardware issue like they claim. They're running on AWS so they should be able to throw more hardware at it in a matter of minutes, hours tops. As of now, they've been down for 14 hours! Not sure what's going on but it's the absolute worst…

FWIW I sent messages earlier without a problem.

Judging from their jobs page they are just hiring in US time zones, so it’s understandable that they might run out of steam after an incident going on into the middle of the night.

HugOps!

Hope they get it fully running soon. Maybe they’ll provide a good, public root cause analysis and I hope that they rethink hiring in order to get more TZ coverage.

Re: Signal is having technical difficulties

#680

"We have been adding new servers and extra capacity at a record pace every single day this week nonstop, but today exceeded even our most optimistic projections. Millions upon millions of new users are sending a message that privacy matters. We appreciate your patience." https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1350165610936766464

> We have been adding new servers and extra capacity at a record pace every single day

No autoscaling?

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