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I didn't know some places still charge for SMS
I think they charge for SMS pretty much anywhere outside the US.
My plan comes with unlimited SMS (Three in the UK).
Signal is having technical difficulties
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They could easily add an optional badge to avatars showing that you donated $1 that year via an optional in-app purchase. The subtle social pressure in a lot of group chats would be pretty effective, and it would help raise awareness that it is run by a non-profit foundation.
This sounds good on first pass, but consider the implication of allowing donations (and thus, payment method information) to be tied to a Signal users account. I specifically _wouldn't_ want this.
How much data is sent to the developer after somebody makes an in-app purchase?
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One of those annoying Telegram users here. I too wish Signal engineers good luck! (Even if I personally mostly use Telegram and hope for Matrix to "win", Signal is a fantastic piece of software as far as I can see, both as an extremely secure (I think) messaging client in its own right and also as an inspiration for other messaging platforms.)
Telegram is not a secure chat application though. It's more similar to Facebook Messenger. You're better off using WhatsApp over it if you care about security. Or obviously Signal. When it comes to Matrix, it's a little trickier. Riot, the most common Matrix client does E2E encryption on DMs and invite only rooms. What I'm not sure is what happens if you send a private message to someone who is using Matrix client th…
> Telegram is not a secure chat application though.
Fun fact: I didn't even write that.
The rest is not so much for you personally as for a number Signal fans:
I get it, I get it: Signal is best. But seriously: do you Signal fans have to derail every conversation?
Do you have to take a jab at every other messenger at every given opportunity?
Or can we agree that there's room for more than one solution? Because physical mail, email, irc, Telegram etc are probably going to stay around for a long time, at least until Signal solves:
- large groups
- backups
- grows a stable messaging API
- creates a Bot api
- and starts teleporting physical goods
- etc
Until Signal solves all this we are going to have to deal with other mesaging solutions.
Deal with it. Seriously.
Yes: Signal is probably the most secure now IMO.
No: talking down other messengers doesn't make it better.
@dang: apologies in advance. I've tried hard to keep it polite.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#414I just donated to Signal after seeing the error banner in the app. I realised I was more than happy to pay WhatsApp's yearly charge back in the pre-Facebook days (think it was 70p or so?). Figured I could give Signal a few quid every now and then, maybe keep a server up for a few seconds :) Donation link should anyone be interested: https://signal.org/donate/
Saw this on reddit, so copying here Donate to them so they can buy more servers https://signal.org/donate/ * If you work in the US, many corporations will match your donation. Easy double of your donation * Set https://smile.amazon.com to Signal, so your purchases on Amazon go to Signal * Use services like Paypal to donate, that sends 100% of the money to the foundation
Would you mind expanding on the PayPal point? Is that referring to donating outside the Signal website which appears to use "DonorBox" rather than PayPal?
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#415As long as we tolerate the world reserve fiat global enslavement system, everything that can be corrupted will be corrupted.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
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Or that you can use that money for a Matrix server instead of supporting centralization. Element is less polished than Signal app but they've been catching up quite fast. If you and your friends aren't locked into the Signal ecosystem yet, might be worth considering, especially if you're techies.
I'm already having mild trouble to convince everyone to use signal, there is no chance I could get them to use and keep using Element. Element is terrible.
Well now, I wouldn't call it terrible, especially considering it's free and how much better it has gotten in the past years and how many volunteers have worked on it. It's quite decent really, even if not super smooth and polished.
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#417I just donated to Signal after seeing the error banner in the app. I realised I was more than happy to pay WhatsApp's yearly charge back in the pre-Facebook days (think it was 70p or so?). Figured I could give Signal a few quid every now and then, maybe keep a server up for a few seconds :) Donation link should anyone be interested: https://signal.org/donate/
They could easily add an optional badge to avatars showing that you donated $1 that year via an optional in-app purchase. The subtle social pressure in a lot of group chats would be pretty effective, and it would help raise awareness that it is run by a non-profit foundation.
Like a star? On the belly?
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While I agree with the main point of your post ("so many quirks, inconsistencies, poor UI/UX ... not recommend it for my family members"), the availability of documentation doesn't mean it can't be intuitive. Aside from entering a custom home server on login (if applicable, that's something your family will not intuitively get with all the centralized services they're used to), after that one-time login I think most…
> the availability of documentation doesn't mean it can't be intuitive Sure, I'm not saying that either, and Matrix has been improving a lot since I first tried it maybe 2 years ago. But there's still a long way to go. I wasn't as focused on onboarding as I was on criticizing Element's UI/UX in general. > And we definitely don't need phone numbers and SMS verification for usability: a username will do just fine Phone…
Agreed on all points.
> Signal was paying that much? That's crazy.
Yeah unfortunately they were. Income for that year (only year they filed so far) is 600k versus about 5M expenses, the largest single expense being sms verifications. Zero income from donations, perhaps they still ran that through the freedom of press foundation or what was it again that accepted donations on their behalf until they had the Foundation status? Either way, I wouldn't want to see the january 2021 bill.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#419I just donated to Signal after seeing the error banner in the app. I realised I was more than happy to pay WhatsApp's yearly charge back in the pre-Facebook days (think it was 70p or so?). Figured I could give Signal a few quid every now and then, maybe keep a server up for a few seconds :) Donation link should anyone be interested: https://signal.org/donate/
Would love to donate via the Bitcoin Lightning network.
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Telegram is insecure and also being swamped with right wingers. Doesn’t seem promising.
> also being swamped with right wingers So is Signal. 'right wingers' are everywhere.
We had better hope that those who are silenced always have some sort of forum to go to, lest violence become inevitable.
It's almost as if that's what the fascistic censors want.
Eventually, those who aren't considered desirable will seek out decentralized, permissionless, alternatives. Kind of like how 99.999999% of crime is funded by FRN cash, rather than AMEX.
The censorship will lead to permissionless, anti-fragile, forums.