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Good news, then! They have a monthly recurring donation option.
So how much covers my use?
WhatsApp used to do a $1 per year when they had 300 million users and it was profitable. So whatever you are comfortable with.
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Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#232Just a friendly reminder that Signal runs on donations and that if you can go and give them some money: https://signal.org/donate/
Or that you can use that money for a Matrix server instead of supporting centralization. Element is less polished than Signal app but they've been catching up quite fast. If you and your friends aren't locked into the Signal ecosystem yet, might be worth considering, especially if you're techies.
Matrix comes up a lot but even Signal is often called not polished enough. And for matrix onboarding is hard for techies and I've had zero chance for the general public. Fine to push it towards techies, but my grandma can't figure it out but she can Signal. Push matrix when it's more polished but right now it just feels silly to push it.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#233Just a friendly reminder that Signal runs on donations and that if you can go and give them some money: https://signal.org/donate/
Or that you can use that money for a Matrix server instead of supporting centralization. Element is less polished than Signal app but they've been catching up quite fast. If you and your friends aren't locked into the Signal ecosystem yet, might be worth considering, especially if you're techies.
> Element is less polished than Signal app
To be fair: I've been pleasantly impressed with Element actually from what I've seen of Mozilla's set-up. I can format my text, I can run it in my browser and it starts up very quickly.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
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That’s helpful, thanks. So they’re 4mil in the hole? How is it possible that they’re still running?
They have $100 mn in donation from Acton
Weird that it isn't listed in the data in that document.
I have no idea why anyone would donate $20 when they're sipping on $100m ...
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#236Time to jump ship! Use element / matrix an open, decentralized, end-to-end encrypted chat protocol with slick clients for Android, iOS, Desktop & Web: https://element.io/ Also easy to self-host a server, if you need full control: $ mkdir -p ~/synapse $ pip3.6 install --user jinja2 matrix-synapse $ cd ~/synapse $ python3.6 -m synapse.app.homeserver \ --server-name my.domain.name \ --config-path homeserver.yaml \ --gen…
Can I use it if I don't want to host a server? Are there any trustworthy public servers?
chat.mozilla.org and matrix.org.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
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Signal is being used by at least 10 well-paid medical professionals (group chat) that I know of, and one of them proclaimed today that Signal is owned by Elon Musk (probably because he tweeted about it). I did not care to educate them. And this is in a first world country with a rather wealthy population. Why am I saying this? Users don't give a damn, they expect free things, and they expect things which work. They h…
Very good point. People will happily pay 50 pounds a month for an IPhone and thinking nothing of it. But then really struggle to pay a penny for an app that runs in that iPhone. There’s some funny psychology going on.
Paying for software vs phones is not really an apples to apples comparison.
A better comparison would be how people gladly pay ten bucks a month for spotify/netflix but would probably never pay that for messaging and IMHO that's where the industry should be going.
People in the past also thought music and movies should be free and pirated the shit out of them, but by making it simple and accessible, for ten bucks a month, most people with a job just won't bother with piracy anymore, even though they gladly pay for something they'll never actually own.
So, the billion dollar question is, how do we transfer that model to messaging?
I keep dreaming about a Pied Piper like decentralized internet.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
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Signal grew 5x in one day[1]. A week before Musk amplified the WhatsApp story with his "Use Signal"[2] tweet. It then did the rounds on MSM. WhatsApp shoots itself in the foot (though IMO it's a blip in their stats). Parler (thankfully) has been kicked off AWS. All good news for alternative messaging technology. https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1349577579091566592 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1347165127036…
Google Play has 10m+ and then 50m+ step. So if you have 40m users then you still are in the 10m+ bracket.
thanks I didn't know this, so it's most probably not a x5 increase but just a cross of this threshold.
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Very good point. People will happily pay 50 pounds a month for an IPhone and thinking nothing of it. But then really struggle to pay a penny for an app that runs in that iPhone. There’s some funny psychology going on.
One big hangup users have is a difference in expectations. They know what they're getting with the money they pay towards their iPhone. Heck - most users will gladly pay exorbitant prices for a cup of coffee as long as it meets their expectations. The same cannot be said for a given app they pull off the App Store. The quality experience can vary greatly from app to app. Even then, an app that fits your lifestyle may…
I'd venture to guess that speed/simplicity of installing an app is also something users subconsciously factor in. The faster/smoother the installation, the less appreciation they have for the app. I remember installing Windows 95 from floppy disks.. boy oh boy, I appreciated every file that was successfully installed and admired it every time it booted into desktop.
Re: Signal is having technical difficulties
#240Time to jump ship! Use element / matrix an open, decentralized, end-to-end encrypted chat protocol with slick clients for Android, iOS, Desktop & Web: https://element.io/ Also easy to self-host a server, if you need full control: $ mkdir -p ~/synapse $ pip3.6 install --user jinja2 matrix-synapse $ cd ~/synapse $ python3.6 -m synapse.app.homeserver \ --server-name my.domain.name \ --config-path homeserver.yaml \ --gen…
The notifications transport for these on iOS is necessarily centralized as push notifications have to be sent from an apple developer client cert to Apple's APNS system. There is no such thing as decentralized messaging on iOS for this reason. The matrix developers run a push service, which all servers have to talk to to push notifications to their iOS app, even if you run your own instance. [ EDIT: The following sta…
Could you explain this further? Or at least where it's documented?