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Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secret fixer

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We are quite hard on us. This is a nasty cultural trait of Spain, because this hinders our work. I work in science and I think we would do much better if we didn't have this inferiority complex.

Until it's a foreigner doing it, then we all team up against.

I have said it many times, no one has united the Spanish so much as Jamie Oliver cooking "paella".

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This is Spain, corruption at all levels. A failed state.

Let me just mark that I know no spaniard outside government doing paid overtime. Literally. Everyone is doing overtime and it is not paid. That is huge corruption wise, it prevents jobs from being created, money is being stolen from workers and taxes are not paid.

Yes we have crooked politicians and public officials, but everyone is crooked and corrupt in the best case. At worst we are crooked and corrupt throwing our lives and money away.

This gets no reflection on official statistics.

Spain is a developing, quasi-feudalistic country and no amount of european money is going to change that at the root.

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We are quite hard on us. This is a nasty cultural trait of Spain, because this hinders our work. I work in science and I think we would do much better if we didn't have this inferiority complex.

Exactly, seriously why is everyone in Spain like this? Spain is a wonderful and advanced country in most ways. Although I think having an inferiority complex is probably good for the country because it's the only way to improve.

National identity is a social construct. Spain has always been the sum of several national identities. This has of course created frictions, but there wasn't the push that order countries had to eradicate those identities when the birth of most modern states happened.

Franco tried to change that (as well as eliminating a sizeable part of Spain that didn't fit with his values). To this day, many spaniards identify the spanish national identity with those Franco's values (despite being fairliy minoritary and Spain a very socially progressive country).

After the transition to democracy, regional governments had a lot of incentives to create or reinforce their own identities to gain economic leverage against the central government. This has always been extremely transparent and it's no coincidence that the two richest regions have the strongest independentist movement.

So yeah, there is a lot of self-hatred or internalised inferiority complex... But also dishonesty. Many of the comments you will read online are self-interested (catalonian independentists) or even straight propaganda from the catalonian government. Not that it would be hard to find any other spaniard to rage about how Spain is, actually, a 3rd world country.

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Why? Could you elaborate please. Genuinely curious.

Because it is a case of corruption that is quite irrelevant at the Spanish level, much less at the European level and totally irrelevant at the global level. Villarejo is an ex-policeman who is blackmailing public figures to avoid a long prison sentence for corruption and bribe. He is a very basic blackmailer and the article at BBC is some PR to give some air to his judicial defence. It is certainly not a relevant/in…

Irrelevant at the Spanish level? You sound like you consume too much Spanish media if you say that. Of course they don't give this much relevance, as with everything concerning the elites. In any country with decent media, this man and his scandals would make plenty of front pages.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is a case of corruption that is quite irrelevant at the Spanish level, much less at the European level and totally irrelevant at the global level. Villarejo is an ex-policeman who is blackmailing public figures to avoid a long prison sentence for corruption and bribe. He is a very basic blackmailer and the article at BBC is some PR to give some air to his judicial defence. It is certainly not a relevant/in…

Quite irrelevant at the Spanish level? I don't agree. He is involved in the dirtiest affairs of the Spanish society, from the political parties to the monarchy, including the police force... But, we agree on that, absolutely irrelevant for HN.

> He is involved in the dirtiest affairs of the Spanish society

... dirtiest affairs of the Spanish _politicians_. Power wars, corruption and how the deep state works routinely under the rug, are in itself pretty interesting themes. Don't made the mistake to thing that this would never happen in your own country (or that is not happening right now).

Spanish society does not have any part to play on this power and lies game but... "Spain is evil, yadah, yadah, we want independence, yadah, yadah, etc". Yep. Obviously elections in Catalonia have started again. We had heard this before.

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Villarejo is nowadays nothing more than a bluffer. Chances are he paid for this piece.

Nobody wouldn't be so stupid as to advertise their own crimes when involved in several trials. If this is publicity (and could perfectly be a paid history), certainly is not from him.

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This is Spain, corruption at all levels. A failed state.

Let me just mark that I know no spaniard outside government doing paid overtime. Literally. Everyone is doing overtime and it is not paid. That is huge corruption wise, it prevents jobs from being created, money is being stolen from workers and taxes are not paid. Yes we have crooked politicians and public officials, but everyone is crooked and corrupt in the best case. At worst we are crooked and corrupt throwing ou…

> Everyone is doing overtime and it is not paid.

Sorry but not. Not my employees, that's for sure. Don't generalize.

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This is Spain, corruption at all levels. A failed state.

That's such a ridiculous claim that I have to assume you are spaniard. Spain is actually a pretty average EU country by most metrics. (Not to say that it doesn't have structural problems, but that's hardly exclusive to Spain)

Most metrics is subjective.

The metrics most spaniards look are -General Unemployment rate -Juvenile unemployment -Minimun Salaries -Buy and Rent prices in principal cities

And in most of these Spain is at the bottom

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Any sources to support that "failed state" claim? Every country has corruption yet on the internet I only see spanish people saying their country is awful.

There's a point where the onus is perhaps on the reader of the comment to check about the claim? It seems to me that many people questioning this in this thread have not read anything about Spain, at all. I'll bite and give you a few examples of why one could consider Spain a failed state: - Consistently has one of the highest unemployment rates of the OECD. 10% was normal pre-2008, 15-25% has been the new normal eve…

Agree, I don't know where the people who replied this thread reads about Spain. Most of them suggest it's an average Country by the metrics

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Interesting to imagine an ex-king in disgrace qnd exile from a European country. Having been born under Elizabeth II and having her hang on so long, I can't imagine a similar circumstance for the Commonwealth.

Her family has provided more than enough.

It's insane that modern society prefers to have living inherited hood ornaments.

Constitutional monarchy can be a peaceful way to democracy, but there is no reason to make it permanent. If Iran becomes true democracy, maybe they keep Ayatollah as tourist attraction? North Korea could keep Kim-family as well. 200-yers form now Kim-family wold be insignificant royals sitting next to British royals.

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