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Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

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Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

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I've worked with a pastor/church leader who was also a developer who was the kindest, nicest person ever. Their code wasn't amazing but he was a great leader and could sense trouble and help people out (religious help or just every day advice). I've known non-religious people who are utter assholes and I would pay to never work with again. As long as someone isn't trying to convert me in the middle of the work day I…

> Politics and religion have been around a lot longer than programming/tech and both of those things affect lives greatly.

Good point.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

#12
As a former Israeli, a country where ultra-orthodox Jewish women work as developers and ask you to leave the door open as a sign of modesty or to keep the kitchen Kosher and where Jewish colleagues all leave for a prayer once or twice a day, I simply learned to live with that and look for the person behind the religiousness.

Some were great developers, some were not- the same as any other person, the only thing that would hole me back is someone that tries to force beliefs on me either explicitly or implicitly.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then what's the problem? If all you are doing is evaluating them for technical skill, then only the resume and interview performance should matter. Personal beliefs such as religion don't enter into it.

My (mis)conception is that it implies inability to advance too deeply into a particular problem. Because if you went deeply enough into the "Jesus" problem you'd understand it's myth/story-telling. Plus, it's one thing to be a Jesus lover. It's completely another to wear it extra-proudly on your technical website/profile.

> Because if you went deeply enough into the "Jesus" problem you'd understand it's myth/story-telling

Yes, it is exactly like the marriage problem and some people still don't divorce.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

#16
Is believe in science also not a religion?

But besides that I have met some amazing geeks who are religious nuts too. Most don't talk about their religion at work. But some can get annoying.

This one guy would use weird jesus love us language during outage. It drove every focused on troubleshooting mad. Another guy decided he will convert me to Christianity. Loved long discussions with him. I might have turned a bit atheist though. But he started it. Atheism is also a religion in my view.

Another person I worked with turned out be extremely religious and racist on twitter. He was nicest guy at work. But once I saw his Twitter, I just felt repulsed by him especially racism. He quit eventually to start his own bible startup.

These are just extreme examples, most religious people never mentioned religion until I became their friends on facebook and saw they were Jesus lovers

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

#17

Not only it is illegal[1] to discriminate based on religion when hiring people, it is also unproductive because you're stopping yourself from hiring people to do a job based on their beliefs not their skills. Your username is "sciencelover". I assume therefore that you are opposing Christianity to science. Let me help you reconsider this position by suggesting you to look at this article listing Christians in science…

Agreeing with this comment 100%. For the record, I’m an atheist. You can cause your company into big trouble for discriminating based on religion, and like julienreska says it’s also counterproductive; you’re robbing yourself of potentially talented, good people.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

#18
A lot of people use religion for the community aspect of it, and branding themselves as "Jesus lover" is more about that rather than them being a strict follower of said religion and intolerant of differing opinions.

I would look past it and give the candidate a chance to prove themselves in an interview just like any other. If their resume shows a successful career at previous places, it's very likely they are able to separate religion and work thus their religious affiliation had no impact on their work.

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#19
Not hiring someone because of their religion - that's illegal in most free and democratic countries.

Would you feel the same way about someone who believed fervently in the singularity?

I don't think religious prejudice for hiring decisions is excusable in a society that values freedom. You each might have your own world views but professionalism should prevent you each from forcing them on each other.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring “Jesus lovers” for your tech/science startup

#20
>> the indications I get from those statements are that this individual ultimately hasn't progressed very far intellectually or challenged their beliefs strongly enough

That attitude is intolerant and toxic.

Would you really not consider a candidate because of their religious or political beliefs regardless of their other job qualifications?

In many places this type of discrimination is illegal.

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