U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor • Hacker News Board

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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Post by anigbrowl » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 6:36 AM UTC

kls wrote: post #221

anigbrowl wrote: post #201

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The Proud boys do have members from all races, but not very many of them; and the vision of masculinity they present is extremely narrow rather than inclusive. There's significant internal tension within the group between the 'optical' approach espoused by its nominal president Enrique Tarrio and a more explicitly racist/neo-nazi one proposed by his informal rival, Kyle Chapman. I think the white identity thing is mo…

I am sure there is, no doubt, overlap of people that associate with the Proud Boys and also associate with white supremacist's, but they (the Proud Boys) have been very clear that white nationalism / supremacy is not their charter and I do not think it is fair to paint them with that brush. That being said, I do agree with you on their view of masculinity and it is fair fodder to critique them on. That is their point…

I have a jaundiced view of what the Proud Boys say in public Because I spend lots of time reading their (not really) private conversations :-/

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 8:04 AM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #225

mothsonasloth wrote: post #87

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>It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. What a snobbish and elitist thing to say. Try saying that to the Sentinelese or Amazonian tribes that still don't have contact with our messed up globalist world. One of the reasons we are living in this chaotic time is because of a growing middle class elite living in metropolitan areas who are either unwilling or incapable of understand…

Maybe it will sound less snobbish (although more self-serving I fear) if I tell you I'm Mexican? Mexico is a mixed race country, you will find people of all colors here, the concept of race is so weak common people are barely aware of it. There are racists who see whiter people as more beautiful, or darker (specially indigenous) people as lesser, but hate is extremely rare and frowned upon. It's the hate part that I…

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Post by TheTacoMerchant » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 9:30 AM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #207

ASalazarMX wrote: post #78

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It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

If people can't (won't) compete by being smarter, working harder, taking long term views, innovating, up skilling etc, they fall back on "but I'm white". That's all this really is. The economy has moved forwards. People either moved to cities and upskilled (hence the hate for a mysterious metropolitan "elite") or they sat in rust belt towns complaining their disability cheque is late again and worrying someone poorer…

Is it not possible for people to remain in small communities and not be seen by you as "refusing to make any effort to catch up"? I'm not American, so if I can offer ab outise perspective it's this:

Trumps base was/is made up of majority poor white rural Americans, with a coalition of racists and extremists bolted on. What's crucial in that is the majority are just poor white townspeople.

They lost their jobs because overseas laborers are willing to do the same work for less; because consumers don't care if the latest iPhone is made in Cali or in some Chinese interment camp. Same thing for coal and oil jobs. The world changed and these are the people who lost their livelihoods for it. I've been watching American politics my whole life, and Trump was the first politician I saw to truly acknowledge that there is a large portion of the population that are suffering economically for things out of their control and told them it wasn't their fault.

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Post by SimonPStevens » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 10:24 AM UTC

ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #106

SimonPStevens wrote: post #93

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Cash is only private if you never put it in a bank. But if the reason for taking the payment is legitimate you're going to have no more problems with Bitcoin than you will with cash in this regard. If your reason for taking the payment is illegal then I agree, Bitcoin puts you at some greater risk. But if that's you're point then perhaps you should be clearer. Bitcoin can be dangerous to use for criminals because it'…

>But if the reason for taking the payment is legitimate you're going to have no more problems with Bitcoin than you will with cash in this regard. Nope. You may deposit cash into a bank and explain where it came from. Sure. This has no relevance to how you can later try to spend your bitcoin and have your transaction frozen + end up in a police investigation where you need to try to explain why chainalysis software s…

We'll have to just agree to disagree on this.

I don't believe that having bitcoin that was in the past involved in criminal use will cause you any problems at all. I'd be interested to see any evidence you have to the contrary.

Something I think people confuse is the concept of 'a bitcoin'. There is no thing that is transferred around like a physical coin or note. A bitcoin 'transfer' is just a change in the balance of two accounts, not an actual transfer of anything physical or digital. There is no change of ownership of anything.

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Post by Kompromisslos » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 10:30 AM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #208

odessacubbage wrote: post #149

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also popular with edgy twitterposters and anons, and a large swath of online news-aware people under 40. there are plenty of sunday morning accelerationists for whom all these sentiments could more accurately reflect malaise and disenfranchisement from party politics that increasingly represent no one. personally i wouldn't grant many of these statements much more weight than 'subscribe to pewdiepie' however as insti…

Are you saying antiracism is a bad thing?

If it's anti-White racism merely disguised as "antiracism", then yes.

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Post by pas » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 11:51 AM UTC

mcantelon wrote: post #227

hi5eyes wrote: post #156

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theres a terrifying amount of acc/horticulture/anprim edgy twitterposters that follow nick land @outsideness that have a large overlap (if not a circle) with neo nazi twitter

There's lot of edgy people on Twitter... lots of folks with hammers and sickles, ironic or otherwise, in their handles, despite the many documented atrocities committed by communist states.

Tankies are true believers, just like Trumpists, or the typical soccer moms who picket outside Planned Parenthood, but when their daughter needs it they obviously use it, then back to picketing the next day.

"This time it will be different."

There are also various explanations of how and why the Holodomor just "happened", and it had nothing to do with communism/socialism/USSR/Stalin, or it was Nazi propaganda, etc. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/izcxbk/i_saw_... - with reputable sources such as sputniknews :| )

Though my favorite is the "Capitalism kills a lot more people" """"infographics"""". ( https://twitter.com/HasBezosDecided/status/12608739086995087... )

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 12:03 PM UTC

kls wrote: post #166

rchaud wrote: post #36

One thing wasn't highlighted in the alleged suicide note was the line 'we must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children'. That language should be a pretty clear indicator of where this person's politics lie, even without the 'fall of western civilization' rhetoric earlier. They always seem to use the same exact verbiage.

This is a well know white supremacist's phrase and originates from an organization that was known as The Order. It is called 14 words, if I where on the receiving end of a donation with that phrase I would be quick to distance myself from it and donate the proceeds to a worthwhile charity. While I know it is routine to paint the right and specifically the alt-right as all being racist white supremacist's the reality…

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Post by LatteLazy » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

TheTacoMerchant wrote: post #233

LatteLazy wrote: post #207

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If people can't (won't) compete by being smarter, working harder, taking long term views, innovating, up skilling etc, they fall back on "but I'm white". That's all this really is. The economy has moved forwards. People either moved to cities and upskilled (hence the hate for a mysterious metropolitan "elite") or they sat in rust belt towns complaining their disability cheque is late again and worrying someone poorer…

Is it not possible for people to remain in small communities and not be seen by you as "refusing to make any effort to catch up"? I'm not American, so if I can offer ab outise perspective it's this: Trumps base was/is made up of majority poor white rural Americans, with a coalition of racists and extremists bolted on. What's crucial in that is the majority are just poor white townspeople. They lost their jobs because…

Some People can stay local and retrain and do something, good luck to them!

Leaving aside fault for the moment...

The jobs are gone. So we have a few options:

* people can do what I said, retrain, maybe move, do something else

* people can do nothing and get benefits to sit there doing nothing.

I don't think there is a third option, but let me know if I'm missing something?

The issue is, 80% of people refuse to the first one. They sit in rust belt towns and die deaths of despair.

So what do we do?

Trumps solution, which they have chosen, is nothing. We do nothing. No healthcare for them, no improved benefits, no retraining.

Since they chose that, I could live with it. But I don't want to be tied to them and live with the rest of the shitty things trump wants to do.

I'm more than happy to hear a solution here. I've tried not to blame anyone. I honestly believe that it wasn't their fault the coal mine (etc) closed. I just don't see an option beyond waiting for them to die before we can progress economically or socially.

And that's not really acceptable to me. I'm gay, and I don't think I should be forced to be a second class citizen just because other people are bitter about their life and voted for a Fuck Everyone candidate. I'm sure there are women who will want reproductive health rights that feel the same way. I'm sympathetic, I came from just suck a place. But there does come a point where I feel like saying "you're not dragging me down with you".

Full disclosure: I'm actually a brit. But we have the exact same thing happening here. Only its Boris Johnson and Brexit (which will last much longer than trumpism).

I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

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Post by greatpatton » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 12:41 PM UTC

Ziggy_Zaggy wrote: post #200

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #197

Isn't it odd that a french computer programmer wrote their suicide note in english? Aren't suicide notes generally for friends and family? Aren't the french typically very protective of their language and culture? The note seems intended for USA readership. It's all very strange.

Very suspicious, indeed.

If you use look for his username on Github you will get after a couple of link to his personal website and his note (automatically posted). The note is in French.

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Post by coldtea » Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

redisman wrote: post #217

coldtea wrote: post #199

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> Kind of a good take, but these points actually makes their attitude even stranger: they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean? Since the elites that push them over and throw them to the dustbins of history as deplorables are mostly Dem…

> (rural growth, working/middle class jobs, wage stagnation, skyrocketing college, health costs, etc) This sounds like a Biden campaign ad. I don’t find takes where the Professional Twitter Opinion LoudPeople are “the left” and “the right” are very interesting. Picking an extreme/outlier take and saying “look what the left/right thinks! aren’t they crazy!!” is exactly why the political discourse is so dumb. What are…

Personally I think both parties should be dissolved, and new parties should be created. With real grassroot expression and representation (up to the minute), not decades or centuries of fossilized party lines.

And this should begin by absolutely banning any kind of donation above, say, a small dollar amount per person (with very strict criminal penalties for bypassing this in any way). Want to get funding as a party? Find more persons to fund you -- as opposed to non-representative parties being pushed forward by large donors.

Then again, it's your parties, do as you wish with them. But no real political discussion is ever gonna come out of those...