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Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by nobody9999 »

jsjohnst wrote: post #333
asxd wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's up to interpretation, but I think we're fooling ourselves a bit to say he didn't incite violence. People raided the capitol on his behalf. His rhetoric must have had something to do with that.

“Everyone” collectively knowing someone incited violence unequivocally is very different than proving, in a court of law, that said person incited violence. As another commented, it’s actually really difficult to do because you must prove intent and state of mind. It’s part of why I’m surprised that’s the only charge on the impeachment, despite there being a potentially more clear cut issue, legal wise, that happened…

>Everyone” collectively knowing someone incited violence unequivocally is very different than proving, in a court of law,

Proving criminal liability is not required[0] in an impeachment trial.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25786125

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by nobody9999 »

notahacker wrote: post #371
ctrlp wrote: post #131

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That's false. Please don't spread false information, whatever your politics. Parler had very similar terms of service to other content companies prohibiting illegal, violent, or copyrighted content. They also paid a team of content moderators to adjudicate flagged posts. They worked happily with their reps at Apple, Google, and AWS right up until the Friday Night Massacre. They were a small company experiencing massi…

Parler's entire marketing schtick was that it was a haven for 'free speech' that might get you banned or fact checked on other networks. Yes, in practice its pretensions to "free speech" were pure pretence and there was a list of things Parler would delete and ban you for, like posting pictures of shit, as well as things it wouldn't, like comparing other races to shit. But having based its entire marketing around its…

>Parler's entire marketing schtick was that it was a haven for 'free speech' that might get you banned or fact checked on other networks.

Note that "free speech" in the US is far from absolute. And there is some speech that, if Parler (or anyone else) doesn't remove it, they can be subject to criminal (e.g., child porn, setting up drug deals, etc.) and/or civil (copyright violations) litigation.

As such, anyone who claims they don't moderate is probably lying, unless they want to go to jail, get sued into oblivion or both.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by fingerlocks »

IgorPartola wrote: post #338
neartheplain wrote: post #144

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> Guns are mostly used to kill people. That’s an incorrect statement. Let’s look at the evidence. More than 50 million Americans engaged in some kind of recreational shooting in 2018 [0]. Compare that to 14,000 gun-related homicides across the country in the same period [1], mostly in certain high-crime communities [2]. The CDC estimates there are between 500,000 and 3 million instances of defensive gun use in the US…

This isn’t a gun debate. If you want, I’ll rephrase: guns are mostly used to kill living beings, or to target practice so that one may get better at killing living beings. They don’t have a domestic function like knives do: you can’t cook or clean with them.

Apparently you’ve never heard of trap shooting or a biathlon? These are Olympic sports. While they might not be as popular as hunting, they are definitely not uncommon either. Both sports have clubs and classes here in Seattle. I know a number of “liberal” gun owners that engage in these activities as well.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by dang »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #100
mrweasel wrote: post #14

So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

> Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler The phrase of 2020 was "too many". An arbitrary line. There are "too many" unarmed black men being killed. There are "too many" fake news stories being posted to Facebook. There are "too many", "too many", "too many". We have to do "something" -- and this is something. What asinine thing t…

Ideological flamewar and personal attacks will get you banned here. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by muhResearch »

This failed society continues to prune symptoms instead of fixing core illnesses. Poor opportunities across board complimented by a callous politicians who represent ruling class. Saving grace is the highly suggestible slaves and mind control techniques of the plutocrats.

Elementary.

Muh social app caused this.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by chalst »

e_y_ wrote: post #434
caminocorner wrote: post #323

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Can Facebook violate any TOS and not get kicked off because of antitrust? They could justify it to a court, because "Facebook incubated the insurrection" or "Facebook broke our rules" not because "we don't like enabling our competitors".

Apple disabled both Facebook and Google's iOS enterprise certificates because they were using them to collect data from external participants in violation of the ToS, although that wasn't the main app. And the access was restored once they took down the offending apps. https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/31/18206020/apple-facebook-i... If the violations were serious enough, I think Apple/Google would consider some kind o…

Apple has less to fear from antitrust than Google in general, and particularly from taking hostile actions towards Facebook.

On the other hand, Facebook is not really a competitor to Apple, while Google very much is, so Apple has an incentive not to carry out an action that would strengthen Google.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by chalst »

acover wrote: post #242
mgbmtl wrote: post #192

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Isn't the Real Name policy a bit of a joke? I have a few test/fake/dev accounts, never had any issues (but for new accounts, need to associate them with a mobile number, but only for the initial signup). That said, I think the structure of Facebook intentionally makes it difficult to moderate. Reddit, for example, has public groups, group mods, etc. Far from perfect, but Facebook could definitely do more validation b…

I have been permanently banned from Facebook for using an incorrect birthday :/ Uploaded government id, correct information, phone number but I'm no longer allowed to create an account.

Funny, last time I changed my birthday on Facebook I was asked "Are you sure? You can change your birthdate at most 5 times". Presumably they must be aware that at least one of the birthdates I gave was false.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by watwut »

mancerayder wrote: post #439
watwut wrote: post #394

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The big difference is whether platform refuses to moderate those .05% on Parler. Afaik, twitter for all its moderation flaws is not refusing to moderate those and reacts to big real world events significantly more quickly. And yes, twitter did deleted accounts and tweets of people who called for violence during summer. Maybe not perfectly and plus some ambiguous accounts ended closed too, but twitter did put real eff…

Parler was created because there's a perception of biased censorship on Twitter. Never used Parler but can confirm there is a ton of hateful content and calls for violence on Twitter. I'm sorry you think it's unfair to compare the two, because anyone who cares an iota about fairness and censorship would prioritize the comparison.

You cant really claim that Parler would even attempt fair moderation. Its moderation was very biased, intentionally so actually.

> because anyone who cares an iota about fairness and censorship would prioritize the comparison.

Anyone who cares about fairness and censorship would first look at Parler moderation, then at Twitters one and only then made comparison. Not even looking at Parler and then claiming that "it is totally same and unbiased because that would confirm my pre-existing bias" is opposite of fair and opposite of nuanced.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by acover »

chalst wrote: post #458
acover wrote: post #242

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I have been permanently banned from Facebook for using an incorrect birthday :/ Uploaded government id, correct information, phone number but I'm no longer allowed to create an account.

Funny, last time I changed my birthday on Facebook I was asked "Are you sure? You can change your birthdate at most 5 times". Presumably they must be aware that at least one of the birthdates I gave was false.

Interesting, then I'm not sure why I've been banned.
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