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Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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I don’t remember a single product or feature they have built in the last 3-4 years which I found extremely useful. Steve Jobs was not wrong.

Also I have been ready to pay them $2-5 for like 50-100GB of storage but they only want $10 for 1TB which I don’t want. I just compromised and use OneDrive which comes with my Office 365 instead.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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I don’t remember a single product or feature they have built in the last 3-4 years which I found extremely useful. Steve Jobs was not wrong. Also I have been ready to pay them $2-5 for like 50-100GB of storage but they only want $10 for 1TB which I don’t want. I just compromised and use OneDrive which comes with my Office 365 instead.

I went all-in on Dropbox Paper to write up some research I had been working on for my PhD. I ended up having to split into three Paper files(?) because the lag on each keyboard press degenerated to 500-1000ms or worse. I eventually realised it was completely unusable and ported my work back to traditional word processing software. My supervisor proclaimed it a fad, and he was right.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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I agree and I'd love to support Dropbox. But I think in order for me to consider that they'd need to have a somewhat competitive pricing model. For example: I'm currently slowly running out of my free Google cloud storage that came with my Gmail account (15GB?). The next step for me is to upgrade to 100GB which will probably be enough for at least the next 10 years or so. With Google Drive that will cost me $1.99 per…

You're not a potential customer. They gave up on consumers and focus on companies. Cannot blame them they don't want to lose money on individual users like the competition.

They are losing big enterprises to Office 365 too. I know at least three 100k+ companies which moved to OneDrive from Dropbox (with lot of grumble from employees to add) in the last couple of years.

They compete with Google for startups and small companies.

They are stuck in the middle and both Google and Microsoft are crushing them from above and below.

Having healthy consumer subscriptions wouldn’t hurt.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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I have zero interest in administering my own services like it appears Nextcloud, even with Hetzner, would require. I've been there and done that, but I'm too far out of the sysadmin game now to do a good job of it. It's a bad use of my time, and not something I enjoy as a hobby. I'm unwilling to use Google services if I can avoid it.

The service I mentioned (Hetzner, but there are others) do all the administration for you. You get a login and password into a Nextcloud instance, that's it. No administration required. See here: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

I can vouch for this. I haven't really done anything on the web interface, I use it for file sync like i used to use Dropbox, and I have clients in Windows, Linux and Android and it just works.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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In the near future, storage will be a home appliance, with networking and command-and-control. As simple to use as a microwave, unlimited storage with service plans similar to changing water filters.

I agree. This week I set up my Nextcloud on a remote server and will probably get a home appliance eventually. I don't detect any sarcasm. Am I naive?

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Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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In the near future, storage will be a home appliance, with networking and command-and-control. As simple to use as a microwave, unlimited storage with service plans similar to changing water filters.

I agree. This week I set up my Nextcloud on a remote server and will probably get a home appliance eventually. I don't detect any sarcasm. Am I naive?

Yes.

Source: someone who just declared Dropbox critical despite having invested an ungodly amount of time into first an old PC with ubuntu and nextcloud and now my NAS box which I love dearly but is a complete dumpster fire even though I'm tech-literate enough to engage with the enormous number of low-level decisions it regularly throws at me.

It gets new security vulnerabilities every damn week so you can't just turn on the public-facing web services. If you still want those -- and if you want it to replace cloud services, you do -- you'll need to configure the VPN, which is an enormous hassle on both client and server. Also, sometimes there's an update and it just stops working until you pay attention to it. Ditto for network shares, but I think the problem there is in Android / iOS network filesystem implementations. It often Just Doesn't Work, and then I try dropbox and it Just Works. Even when the NAS network share does work, managing permissions is a nightmare, even for simple setups, ditto storage, ditto the VM that theoretically runs nextcloud but in practice gets taken down by an update on a regular basis.

For my next NAS I'm going to try Synology, but they depend on many of the same open source projects that I've seen Just Not Working on the QNAP side, so I'm not terribly hopeful.

Nextcloud devices look promising in the long run but the market hasn't shaken out yet so you're either going to have to invest tons of time in research or you're going to have to do trial and error. In both cases you'll have to make up for deficiencies.

https://nextcloud.com/devices/

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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I agree. This week I set up my Nextcloud on a remote server and will probably get a home appliance eventually. I don't detect any sarcasm. Am I naive?

Yes. Source: someone who just declared Dropbox critical despite having invested an ungodly amount of time into first an old PC with ubuntu and nextcloud and now my NAS box which I love dearly but is a complete dumpster fire even though I'm tech-literate enough to engage with the enormous number of low-level decisions it regularly throws at me. It gets new security vulnerabilities every damn week so you can't just tur…

I agree without vpn nas security can be poor. There are a lot of open ports handled by obscure applications.

What would be the difficulty with a vpn? Synology has VPN on device. It seems to be a matter of enabling it. Routers also typically include vpn functionality.

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post #677

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Yes. Source: someone who just declared Dropbox critical despite having invested an ungodly amount of time into first an old PC with ubuntu and nextcloud and now my NAS box which I love dearly but is a complete dumpster fire even though I'm tech-literate enough to engage with the enormous number of low-level decisions it regularly throws at me. It gets new security vulnerabilities every damn week so you can't just tur…

I agree without vpn nas security can be poor. There are a lot of open ports handled by obscure applications. What would be the difficulty with a vpn? Synology has VPN on device. It seems to be a matter of enabling it. Routers also typically include vpn functionality.

Enabling it is just the start. Then you have to worry about permissions. Then you have to add the configuration to all of your devices. Then you have to hope that the protocol choices you made are compatible. When they aren't, you have to experiment. Then an update breaks them and you have to scramble to find compatible versions/protocols or just live with it being broken until latest is fixed. Even when the network connectivity is working, you aren't done. You have to hope that the subnets and split-horizon DNS allow it to coexist with the other VPNs you have to use. If not, you have to play the VPN hopping game every time you want to use your site. Hope you don't need simultaneous connections! Then you have to worry about apps that complain (or, worse) when underlying storage appears/disappears due to changing networks. Then you have to worry about apps that don't like your DNS (".lan isn't a real TLD, better do something stupid"). Oh, right, you have to setup private DNS -- which your router might have done automatically (which is why you have .lan), but which you might need to reconfigure to workaround the aforementioned problems. Then you have to worry about apps starting to migrate to DoH.

So no, it's not easy, it's a lightweight IT gig just to connect to your damn server! This is one of those tasks that I regularly see highly capable techies underestimate because of some combination of getting lucky on a small number of deployments and/or their brain engaging in protective amnesia to protect them from living with the scars of having wasted big chunks of otherwise perfectly good life fiddling with VPN settings.

Being able to serve resources on the open internet is extremely important and NASes clearly aren't up to the task yet.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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At one time, Dropbox was the easiest and best solution if you were using Android, MacOS, and Windows. I used to pay for 1TB account although Apple offered 2TB for same monthly fee. But the Dropbox destroyed their simple UI to this ugliness clusterfuck. That was the motivation for me to cancel it and move 100% into Apple's ecosystem.

I'm still not sure what I could migrate to that would give me solid and trustworthy sync/access across Windows, Mac, iOS, and Linux. I'm happy to pay whatever I pay for Dropbox -- I don't actually remember what it is -- but I'd rather they stop throwing in bullshit kitchen-sink features.

I was in a similar boat and fairly recently started using pCloud, which I've been liking a lot. It has minimal frills and just focuses on file storage and sharing. I mainly use the Linux and web clients, both of which are excellent. I don't have any association with them outside of being a happy customer.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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Why are we lumping in Netflix instead of Microsoft in the group of big tech?

Because the term was popularized by Jim Cramer on Mad Money referring to the growth of Facebook, Apple, Netflix & Google back in 2013. $MSFT hadn't really taken off like the others until later that year.

That makes sense. Netflix only belongs in that group when talking about "tech stocks".
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