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Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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So this assumes there is pent-up demand to use BTC as part of smart contracts that is not yet met by WBTC on Ethereum. I don't see anything that would validate that assumption.

Especially since everything else is on Ethereum anyway. Since this is just a layer 2 solution, you might as well treat Ethereum as a layer 2 for Bitcoin.

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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The Bitcoin Core (BTC) market is pushed forward only by fraud (Tether) and lies (censorship of BitcoinTalk and r/Bitcoin). The Bitcoin Core project was hijacked and socially engineered away from the lead developers many years ago by Adam Back's Blockstream. Today it is a Ponzi scheme designed to push people onto their "second layer" solutions to "solve" the problems they themselves introduced.

Any hard evidence you can point to?

This isn't actually controversial for anyone who got interested in bitcoin before Gavin Andreesan was kicked out and /r/bitcoin was taken over and heavily propagandized.

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-histor...

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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Oh for the love of science, GIVE IT A REST. ETC exists, if you don’t like ETH go use ETC, the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already

>the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already Isn't this the exact problem? That the blockchain isn't actually immutable and community will step in to revert transactions?

If you want to move fast and break things, choose ETH.

If you want to move slow and never break things, choose ETC.

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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post #29

So this assumes there is pent-up demand to use BTC as part of smart contracts that is not yet met by WBTC on Ethereum. I don't see anything that would validate that assumption.

99% of Bitcoin remains passively outside of smart contracts. Only about 5B on Ethereum. This can be a fairly large market and we're in early days. More use cases don't need to take anything away from Ethereum!

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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post #16

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Oh for the love of science, GIVE IT A REST. ETC exists, if you don’t like ETH go use ETC, the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already

>the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already Isn't this the exact problem? That the blockchain isn't actually immutable and community will step in to revert transactions?

I mean, no? There are two cryptocurrencies, ETH and ETC, and apparently most people think it's fine to revert a transaction for the reason ETH reverted it. The only problem is that people posit "but it's a problem when transactions are reverted, and, look, ETH reverts transactions!", which assumes the problem even though the assumption doesn't really seem to hold.

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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post #16

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Oh for the love of science, GIVE IT A REST. ETC exists, if you don’t like ETH go use ETC, the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already

>the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already Isn't this the exact problem? That the blockchain isn't actually immutable and community will step in to revert transactions?

Maybe under very exceptional circumstances, i.e. a systemic network risk. Since the DAO fiasco we've had a number of high profile incidents and the community has rejected stepping in (look at the failure of EIP 999). I'm not sure if there's presently anything on Ethereum, that should it fail, would be as bad as the DAO failure. Maybe MakerDAO?

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh for the love of science, GIVE IT A REST. ETC exists, if you don’t like ETH go use ETC, the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already

>the community voted with their wallets, ETH won, give it a bone already Isn't this the exact problem? That the blockchain isn't actually immutable and community will step in to revert transactions?

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Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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Please, don't forget, Bitcoin Core (BTC) was hijacked years ago by corporate interests and purposefully crippled with high fees. From day one Bitcoin was designed to have low or no fees, it is only because Blockstream was able to wrestle control of the GitHub repo and stop the block size increase arbitrarily that high fees exists. Bitcoin Cash (BCH) long ago took over the "Bitcoin" project as designed by Satoshi Naka…

>From day one Bitcoin was designed to have low or no fees How are miners supposed to be compensated, given that the block reward halves every few years? >because Blockstream was able to wrestle control of the GitHub repo Can you rebut these counter-claims made by one of the Core devs? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25566420 >is a broken system designed to enrich developers of "Second Layer" solutions like this.…

> How are miners supposed to be compensated, given that the block reward halves every few years?

A solved problem by Satoshi. The block reward covers miners expenses for the next 100 years or so, THEN, once the block size is large enough and transactions are in the millions, a fee of a few cents per transaction replaces the block reward.

> Can you rebut these counter-claims made by one of the Core devs?

Yes, easily. This article [1] shows what I am saying, Core devs are funded by Blockstream. [2] Greg Maxwell (nullc) is, "a very dangerous individual whose [actions] speak for themselves". Just read about his past, he is a master social engineer and manipulator.

[1] https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/60250/bitcoin-developm...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/74se80/wikipedia_admin...

> How are those developers being enriched? Lightning is free and open source.

Lightning does not work. It is a centralized "solution" to a decentralized problem. Sure, anyone can make a central database, hold Bitcoin and trade them, that is just an exchange, that is what Lightning is. What Blockstream is selling is not Lightning, their product is called Liquid.

Re: Smart contracts on Bitcoin

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post #35
post #29

So this assumes there is pent-up demand to use BTC as part of smart contracts that is not yet met by WBTC on Ethereum. I don't see anything that would validate that assumption.

99% of Bitcoin remains passively outside of smart contracts. Only about 5B on Ethereum. This can be a fairly large market and we're in early days. More use cases don't need to take anything away from Ethereum!

Maybe that's because 99% is purely held to speculate on the price going up?
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