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Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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Parler had a moderation process . It verifiably failed to actually prevent violent rhetoric (c.f. Lin Wood calling for Pence's execution days before the crowd took the capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence!"). In this interview (audio, but there's a transcript) Matze details some of it, and basically explains that violent-but-popular content is going to be left up because of "free speech": https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01…

> It verifiably failed to actually prevent violent rhetoric How do you suppose you prevent violent rhetoric? You can only react to it. And if that's the baseline, Facebook and Twitter have far more objectionable content yet-to-be-removed.

> How do you suppose you prevent violent rhetoric? You can only react to it.

Look around you. Right here on HN, we discuss politics. We're doing it right now. Yet... no violence. And the reason is moderation. The moderators remove violent commenters and the community shuns them. Clearly HN/dang have been able to "prevent violent rhetoric". It works.

And Facebook and Twitter are doing OK right now. Both were very late to the game, but are engaged in a heroic effort right now to clean up their communities. In fact it was something of a left-Twitter running gag over the past week to giggle at conservatives complaining about their follower count suddenly dropping.

But Parler did no such thing. So outside forces had to apply the moderation.

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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Calling body armor "Military Gear" as in "only the military should be able to buy body armor" is pretty sad, even by Buzzfeed extreme-left standards. Body armor can't kill anyone.

The most baffling thing to me is the fact that body armor, and military grade weapons, are sold in USA... Like, we're discussing ad delivery, not the fact that a country allows companies to sell all kinds of weapons, and equipment to the general public... so I think that accurate ad targeting is the least of the problems.

You can buy body armor in Portugual too: http://www.engardeportugal.com/produtos.htm

And apparently it is much needed:

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/procurado-por-tenta...

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/homem-ameaca-mulher...

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/gnr-em-alerta-maxim...

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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Armor costs money and it's heavy. If armor piercing rounds become common, it's a total waste. It's pretty ridiculous that we are having this conversation about civilian life. What the heck is happening in this country?

As someone who isn't buying armor, it in no way hurts me that it's expensive and heavy, but every dollar they spend on armor or weapons to specifically fight people wearing armor instead of a dollar spent on weapons meant to kill people like me is an improvement. I won't say it's smart to buy body armor, it isn't, but it's still in my best interest to encourage the whack jobs to waste their money.

Wow, I might suggest de-escalation, but yeah, feed that bear some more crazy. That'll work out fine.

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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> Parler wasn't kicked off AWS because of a political disagreement. It was kicked off for multiple terms of service violations and unwillingness to adequately moderate its platform to ensure that further ToS violations didn't occur. It's a little strange, then, how Amazon took Parler's money until a day after others deplatformed Parler right after the election. Amazon's decision doesn't seem as arms-length and indepe…

This is the actual email that AWS sent to Parler informing them of its intent to suspend Parler: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664... Quoting AWS's literal rationale: > Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. [...] This morning, you shared that you have a plan to more proactively moderate violent content, but you plan…

Thanks!

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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The most baffling thing to me is the fact that body armor, and military grade weapons, are sold in USA... Like, we're discussing ad delivery, not the fact that a country allows companies to sell all kinds of weapons, and equipment to the general public... so I think that accurate ad targeting is the least of the problems.

Despite what your TV told you, military grade fully automatic weapons are 50 state illegal in the United States. Civilians may not own them. The scary guns you see on TV just LOOK like military weapons, they don't FUNCTION like them.

Automatic weapons are legal in most states, they're just an NFA item and need to have been manufactured + registered prior to 1986. (And due to this, they're expensive as all hell - think $10k for a gun that sold for ~$120 new in 1980 - and to the best of my knowledge have only been used in two murders since 1934, of which one was a police officer killing a police informant)

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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> Depends on their contracts and that’s all it depends on. That's not true. Laws supercede contracts. You cannot write a contract that creates new law between parties.

There is no relevant law that would require Facebook or Parler to do any moderation because of Section 230, right?

You are talking about something different. I had replied to a comment which said Facebook breaking the contract they have with their backbone provider is the only way their provider can terminate the connection. That's clearly false. There are many laws outside of the CDA.

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Can you describe a typical scenario where a civilian might want to use body armor? I understand that shooting high powered rifles is a lot of fun, so recreation makes sense with respect to weaponry, but I'm legitimately confused about why a civilian would ever want to own body armor. I can't imagine it's terribly comfortable to wear, and it doesn't seem very fun to me.

Really? You can't imagine any? Regardless of how unlikely it might be, there's a very real risk that shit's gonna go down in the next week and who knows what might happen. Even if nothing does happen, there's been an increasing amount of unrest in the past few years, it doesn't hurt to be prepared for the worst. You probably won't ever need to use the spare tire in your trunk, but it's reassuring to know that it's th…

I'd be interested in better understanding the threat model here - the scenario where it's actually useful.

Call it a failure of imagination, but to me it seems exceedingly unwise for a law abiding civilian to be entering a situation where body armor would be helpful (and I say this as a firearm owner).

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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> Depends on their contracts and that’s all it depends on. That's not true. Laws supercede contracts. You cannot write a contract that creates new law between parties.

There is no relevant law that would require Facebook or Parler to do any moderation because of Section 230, right?

That's not correct, as I understand it. Section 230 says that you can't be held liable for content on your site that you did not create yourself, even if you generally moderate your content (i.e. are not just a common carrier).

But there are still laws that require you to _remove_ certain content (child porn comes to mind, but also material that infringes copyrights, etc) once you are aware of it.

Concretely, given this sequence of events:

1. You have a web site that allows people to post pictures. You moderate them some.

2. Someone who is not you or one of your employees/contractors posts child porn.

3. Before your moderators notice it, someone else sees it and reports it to the FBI.

4. You remove the child porn (based on normal moderation getting to it, or you getting notified by the person from item 3 or by the FBI).

my understanding is that Section 230 means that there is no legal liability on your part, as long as step 4 actually happens once you become aware of the content.

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As someone who isn't buying armor, it in no way hurts me that it's expensive and heavy, but every dollar they spend on armor or weapons to specifically fight people wearing armor instead of a dollar spent on weapons meant to kill people like me is an improvement. I won't say it's smart to buy body armor, it isn't, but it's still in my best interest to encourage the whack jobs to waste their money.

Wow, I might suggest de-escalation, but yeah, feed that bear some more crazy. That'll work out fine.

I would consider switching from weapons designed to be used against any innocent person to weapons designed specifically to deal with those looking for a fight to be de-escalation.

Re: Facebook Has Been Showing Military Gear Ads Next to “Insurrection” Posts

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That's why the solution is liability: Companies will keep leaving unchecked algorithms responsible for this until they can go to jail for doing so. Adtech is a cancer and it's time to cut it out using every legislative and regulatory option we have. Put Mark Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai behind bars and the problem will correct after that.

Liability for what exactly? How about people who actually commit bad acts are the ones responsible for it? It seems like you haven't really thought about this and are just personally against adtech and those companies. That's not how rights and legislation should be decided.

Why not ? If Parler/Gab can be de-platformed and sued for supporting violent insurrection, so should facebook/twitter for advertising violent insurrection.
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