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U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the IRS sort of dislike when you don't declare that as income?

[dropped; incorrect assertion]

I’d need to dig up the links, but my understanding was the opposite—rich people have harder to analyze finances compared to low cap with simpler finances. So they audit the easy ones even though low reward.

This seems easy to automatically audit? I mean there is a government record of who receives the money.

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#142

I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

gotta say, people sending me money is probably my very last concern about bitcoin

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post #122

Tens of millions of dollars were raised for "bail funds" across the country to bail out people arrested at the riots over the summer. Once the groups paid the bail on behalf of someone, the money was returned to the person bailed out not the group that paid it. The district attorney in Portland, Oregon, and other DA's in larger cities, was not prosecuting the majority of people arrested, except for the most egregious…

People protesting against authorities killing innocent people (ostensibly, at least partly the basis of racism), is altogether a different thing from people trying to stop the validation of an election, which is to say, overthrow the Republic.

One is civil disobedience in the face of a legitimate problem, however the other is a coup attempt.

And of course, there's nothing wrong with people paying for other people's bail, there is however, something wrong with financing a coup.

Hopefully, those involved in civil disobedience who really did break the law by 'looting Target' will face reasonable justice irrespective of their bail, and those attempting to stop the transfer of power between Presidents will face proportional charges.

Edit: I should be clear I don't mean to be supportive of any of what is going on in any direction: BLM/Trumpland/Apple/Facebook/BLM/COVID/Free Speech/Hate Speech etc. Even as most of the press hides under the veil of 'technically truthful' there's quite a bit of strong narrative building going on. Sufficed to say, the 'insurrection' on capital hill was of another league altogether what with the legitimacy of the Office of the President being maligned to support the interdiction of the transfer of power. That's a 'really big deal'. In 200 years we will remember COVID and Trump for dubious reasons, while the BLM protests and FB/Apple/Twitter wars won't like make the history lesson.

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#144

Cool analysis. I wonder if the breach is considered domestic terrorism, could this funds be seized as part of an effort to fund such terrorists, or because its a private donation the gov can't touch it.

Probably not, because at present there's no legal framework for domestic terrorism. Even if one were created next week, it wouldn't be retroactive because the US Constitution bans ex post facto prosecutions.

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post #122

Tens of millions of dollars were raised for "bail funds" across the country to bail out people arrested at the riots over the summer. Once the groups paid the bail on behalf of someone, the money was returned to the person bailed out not the group that paid it. The district attorney in Portland, Oregon, and other DA's in larger cities, was not prosecuting the majority of people arrested, except for the most egregious…

Both this comment and its source are remarkably thin on details: the claim that people are not returning money to bail funds seems to be based on a single tweet from a single organization. I've given regularly to bail funds for years, and most report being able to recover and reuse bails for subsequent cases[1].

But even more saliently: nobody was "paid to cause destruction." People we being bailed out following mass arrests in the midst of a pandemic and unprecedented social unrest. Whether or not a particular fund has failed to recoup its bails is immaterial to the fact that nobody gave to bail funds as a mechanism for direct wealth transfer. That just wouldn't be very efficient.

[1]: https://bailproject.org/faq/

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#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

I present to you the words of Kristen Clarke, Biden’s future head of the DoJ’s Civil Rights division: “Melanin endows blacks with greater mental, physical, and spiritual abilities — something which cannot be measured by Eurocentric standards.” This is just one quote from her letter, which goes on at length about black superiority. I think the problem we have right now is we have two sets of standards. People that hav…

> The book, she said, “was generating wide acclaim for its racist views” and her intention in opening the letter “with an absurd claim that Black people are superior based on the melanin in their skin” was to “hold up a mirror to reflect how reprehensible the premise of black inferiority was set.”

> “It was meant to express an equally absurd point of view — fighting one ridiculous absurd racist theory with another ridiculous absurd theory,” Clarke explained, “and the goal was all about [exposing] the ugly racist underpinnings of the Bell Curve theory. It was deeply personal and profoundly important to Black students and other students of color who felt that their right to be on campus was challenged. And frankly, the fight that we were leading as students is a fight that I am still very much a part of today.”

https://forward.com/news/national/462089/bidens-deputy-ag-pi...

The full letter certainly seems consistent with that: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1994/10/28/blacks-seek-an...

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

#147

Cool analysis. I wonder if the breach is considered domestic terrorism, could this funds be seized as part of an effort to fund such terrorists, or because its a private donation the gov can't touch it.

It's insurrection. Terrorism would be if it was against civilians with the intent to cause terror and mayhem.

Members of Congress and staff are civilians. But definition of these terms is somewhat slippery and mutable since they are also shaped by laws, both existing and in the future.

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#148
post #122

Tens of millions of dollars were raised for "bail funds" across the country to bail out people arrested at the riots over the summer. Once the groups paid the bail on behalf of someone, the money was returned to the person bailed out not the group that paid it. The district attorney in Portland, Oregon, and other DA's in larger cities, was not prosecuting the majority of people arrested, except for the most egregious…

You're just attempting to deflect with an unrelated topic.

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#149
post #36

One thing wasn't highlighted in the alleged suicide note was the line 'we must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children'. That language should be a pretty clear indicator of where this person's politics lie, even without the 'fall of western civilization' rhetoric earlier. They always seem to use the same exact verbiage.

Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

also popular with edgy twitterposters and anons, and a large swath of online news-aware people under 40. there are plenty of sunday morning accelerationists for whom all these sentiments could more accurately reflect malaise and disenfranchisement from party politics that increasingly represent no one. personally i wouldn't grant many of these statements much more weight than 'subscribe to pewdiepie'

however as institutions dip their toes deeper into the open embrace of superficial intersectionality and antiracism, it should come as a surprise to no one that retrograde ideas about white identity begin to viscously resurface with greater frequency. my personal opinion is that it is a very bad time to repeat the economic mistakes of obama with an added veneer of identity justice. optimism makes me want to believe that good governance can heal our country, but more realistically, good governance is the one thing we truly do not make in america anymore.

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#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism is "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience". Trying to coerce / kidnap / etc. Congress people sounds like terrorism. They don’t have to be successful.

> Terrorism is a form of warfare in which a social movement that opposes the state directs violence toward civilians rather than the military or the police. https://www.britannica.com/topic/collective-violence/Coups-r... Even your own definition doesn't apply - the insurrectionists weren't a subnational group (they don't have a cohesive identity other than sharing a common cause) or clandestine agents.

A common cause seems like a sufficiently cohesive identity; I don't see why voluntary political affiliations should be excluded. They were not very clandestine, I agree. Their antipathy to wearing masks has been rather a boon to law enforcement, although even the ones who were masked were fairly easily identified later.
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