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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by notahacker »

ctrlp wrote: post #131
shlant wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't deny there is probably some favoritism going on, but is Facebooks willingness to moderate their content not at least part of the reason? Parler was completely hands off when it came to any sort of moderation of the content its users were posting (by design) which allowed for threats of violence to go unchecked and flourish within the platform. That seems like a pretty significant determinant when considering…

That's false. Please don't spread false information, whatever your politics. Parler had very similar terms of service to other content companies prohibiting illegal, violent, or copyrighted content. They also paid a team of content moderators to adjudicate flagged posts. They worked happily with their reps at Apple, Google, and AWS right up until the Friday Night Massacre. They were a small company experiencing massi…

Parler's entire marketing schtick was that it was a haven for 'free speech' that might get you banned or fact checked on other networks. Yes, in practice its pretensions to "free speech" were pure pretence and there was a list of things Parler would delete and ban you for, like posting pictures of shit, as well as things it wouldn't, like comparing other races to shit.

But having based its entire marketing around its terms of service being unlike other providers, with a particular emphasis on its greater level of tolerance for certain forms of political extremism, with predictable consequences for the community, it's obviously not in a position to use the "but we're no different from Twitter" defence

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Post by t-writescode »

IgorPartola wrote: post #338
neartheplain wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Guns are mostly used to kill people. That’s an incorrect statement. Let’s look at the evidence. More than 50 million Americans engaged in some kind of recreational shooting in 2018 [0]. Compare that to 14,000 gun-related homicides across the country in the same period [1], mostly in certain high-crime communities [2]. The CDC estimates there are between 500,000 and 3 million instances of defensive gun use in the US…

This isn’t a gun debate. If you want, I’ll rephrase: guns are mostly used to kill living beings, or to target practice so that one may get better at killing living beings. They don’t have a domestic function like knives do: you can’t cook or clean with them.

> They don’t have a domestic function like knives do

Hunting for sustenance, depending on where you live

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Post by marcod »

nr2x wrote: post #5

Somebody from Facebook recently told me they developed the best system to flag radical/violent content in the world, I pointed out they first developed the best system to spread it.

Wasn't there also a system developed that was really good at flagging radical content and proceeded to flag all the conservative posts? :p

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Post by LiquidSky »

jsjohnst wrote: post #333
asxd wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's up to interpretation, but I think we're fooling ourselves a bit to say he didn't incite violence. People raided the capitol on his behalf. His rhetoric must have had something to do with that.

“Everyone” collectively knowing someone incited violence unequivocally is very different than proving, in a court of law, that said person incited violence. As another commented, it’s actually really difficult to do because you must prove intent and state of mind. It’s part of why I’m surprised that’s the only charge on the impeachment, despite there being a potentially more clear cut issue, legal wise, that happened…

That actually is referenced in the full text of the impeachment resolution[1]:

"President Trump’s conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to “find” enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so."

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolutio...

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Post by selimthegrim »

redisman wrote: post #366
flowerlad wrote: post #218

Conspiracy theories once confined to the fringe are going mainstream. It is as if the age of reason -- the era of evidential argument -- is ending. Knowledge is de-legitimized and scientific consensus is dismissed. Democracy which depends on shared truths is in retreat, and autocracy, which depends on shared lies, is on the march. All this hate and violence is being facilitated by a handful of internet companies that…

> 2/3rds of millennials have not heard of Auschwitz If this is true - which I very much doubt as a millenial, isn't that a giant failing of the US school system first and foremost?

There was a Tablet magazine piece some years ago that claimed Spielberg hadn’t heard of Auschwitz until his 30s

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Post by Bakary »

laurent92 wrote: post #339
Bakary wrote: post #216

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I actually think this is a good sign. I'd rather live in a world where social norms relax to take into account the loss of privacy and anonymity. The ideal world would be one with those two things still intact, but I guess that ship has long sailed... The unexpected Trump era served to speed this up, which is probably one of the few silver linings it has. Remember the debates about whether future politicians could be…

It is a bit like saying ex-nazis could still have economic leadership after the war, saying “tsallright, everyone did it”. For all we know, social rules didn’t relax around their usage after the war, “collabo” were chased all around the world. Although you are correct that a lot of people with a shaddy past succeeded to have it forgotten, thanks to a lot of pardons after the war.

I get your point but don't you agree that it's overall better for sexual mores to be freer, eccentric opinions and lifestyles to be less costly (not talking about politics exclusively here), and so on?

The reductio ad nazium isn't a full stop to the discussion

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Post by t-writescode »

threatofrain wrote: post #345
throwawayosiu1 wrote: post #92

On a side-note, I hate how Facebook sticks to their real name policy and does not allow for the creation of multiple accounts (I'd want one for my startup / work etc. and another for my personal use case for my friends / family etc.). That said, all the mainstream social media apps - Facebook and Twitter had a hand and if Parler was de-platformed with that reason, then they should be as well. I mean, if a 700B and a…

According to the CEO of Parler, banks and payment vendors, law firms, text and mail services also cancelled on them. Shouldn’t there be some discussion about banning those banks and lawyers too? Should a law firm be able to quit you? Should a bank be able to cancel on you? We even have major banks cancelling on the US President. At what point ought those who despise you be free to ditch you? These are all parties exe…

Specific lawyers? Yes. Some clients are just horrible, and forcing them to work with a certain person is ... decidedly unethical.

Banks? Now we're starting to have fun. If all banks cancel you, you cannot reasonably do business in this country. That's a very real concern and something that needs to be looked at.

There may be some real value in investigating all of the oligopolies in the United States, and their behaviors in cancelling.

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Post by ashtonkem »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #268
ashtonkem wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being sarcastic, but a lot of them are honest-to-god cultists; their connection with concrete reality is tenuous at best. They think that Q is real, and that Trump had secret information about vague evilness being done by Congress (eating babies or similar) that was going to be revealed when they got into the Capitol. Then they were going to arrest them all and execute them as punishment for their alleged crimes.…

This post like this that remind me the people seriously believe there aren’t just the same number of crazies on the right and left. That “your side“ has all of the “reasonable people” and is “morally right”, what an amazing coincidence. You only want one side to have to “own“ their crazies. That isn’t how it works. Neither side should be thought of or represented by their “crazies”, that isn’t anywhere near good fait…

Please point to the sentence where I made any of those claims.

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Post by randompwd »

flowerlad wrote: post #218

Conspiracy theories once confined to the fringe are going mainstream. It is as if the age of reason -- the era of evidential argument -- is ending. Knowledge is de-legitimized and scientific consensus is dismissed. Democracy which depends on shared truths is in retreat, and autocracy, which depends on shared lies, is on the march. All this hate and violence is being facilitated by a handful of internet companies that…

> When 2/3rds of millennials have not heard of Auschwitz how are they supposed to know what's true? There is such a thing as objective truth. Facts do exist.

Probably better to qualify the statistic when you are using it as a prelude to declaring "Facts do exist"

Maybe making the quote more exact slightly dampens the hyperbole you were aiming for:

first result for the line:

> 2/3rds of millennials have not heard of Auschwitz

gives https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04...

which includes the excerpt of: > Two-thirds of American millennials

> how are they supposed to know what's true

Please do explain the equivalence of not knowing what is true with not knowing what Auschwitz is?

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