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Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by beart »

speeder wrote: post #40
Solocomplex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His speech has not been restricted in any real way. He can call a press conference and communicate with every American within minutes.

I am not from US, but would like to point you are wrong about that. He can call a conference, but the press is not obliged to show up. https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cnn-white-house-press-confe... And since that in 2017, when they figured they could skip his press conferences, it has becoming more and more normal, if I remember correctly he announced a press conference only some days ago and it was ignored by almos…

The lack of press coverage of the Trump Administration may also be attributed to the administration reducing the frequency and value of press briefings. This is an article from 2018 and I would put money on it having only gotten worse since.

https://qz.com/1503024/2018-was-the-year-the-white-house-pre...

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by xamuel »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #14
dimitrios1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fake news" isn't illegal. Piracy is.

Thundering voice from the heavens above: THOU SHALT NOT LIE! edit: just cited THE supralegal authority here, regarding fake nyuz...

It is a common misconception that "Thou shalt not lie" is a divine commandment from God. You're probably thinking of "Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor" (Exodus 20:16), which is more specific.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by markus_zhang »

memer wrote: post #44
HarryHirsch wrote: post #11

Twitter has no business inserting itself into a dispute between Elbakyan and Elsevier et al. Few people would have issues if Twitter shut down the Sci-Hub account after they received a valid court order, but a private monopolist cannot be trusted to be the arbiter of what is permitted speech.

It's Twitter's own servers and they can choose who can use them or not. Permitted speech on the legal scope does not matter when talking about businesses.

I'd argue once X amount of users use your service you are sort of public service company already. You can't use "oh we are a business so we can do anything we want" to defend yourself about that.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #18
spoonjim wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your opinion on their takedown of @realDonaldTrump?

The same. If he is seditious you can get a court to issue an injunction very quickly, and if he isn't a private entity has no issue determining what a politician can say. As a German one thinks different about free speech than do most Americans. We know all too well where too much free speech leads and when in doubt let the courts decide because we love public peace. Putting a muzzle on someone is interfering with po…

Twitter is not a monopoly by any stretch. Regulating how sites handle speech just adds an additional hurdle for new, better platforms to enter. I should not have to have an expensive lawyer on retainer to read injunction requests just for running a This has already been tested in court in the Prager University vs Google, LLC [1] trial and was resolved very quickly. Freedom of speech does not mean another individual has to assist you in publishing or advertising your speech. You are free to shout from a soap box but no one has to provide you that soap box.

I really think people over emphasize the power that social media sites have. They own a lot of eyeball market share but they do not have the power to prevent you from publishing your opinions. Anyone can make their own website, their own Mastadon instance (see Gab if you want proof), their own Peertube instance, a lot of work is done by the open source community to make it easy to publish content not reliant on large corporations.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by generalizations »

rcoveson wrote: post #59
dankboys wrote: post #16

They’re a private company, Sci-Hub has to make their own social media service

Can't host it with Google or Amazon, though, as those companies are also willing to take you down before any injunction. DNS providers will also take you out if there's social pressure to do so; see the recent GoDaddy action against AR15.com. Not sure how you work around that. As for Internet connection, there was another recent action by an ISP which blocked access to Twitter. So you're not necessarily safe with you…

I like that analogy.

Also read on here recently that it's super hard to knock facebook offline because they own all the pieces, even their own domain registrar. Now I've been wondering how hard it is to set up my own domain registrar.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by bioinformatics »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #11

Twitter has no business inserting itself into a dispute between Elbakyan and Elsevier et al. Few people would have issues if Twitter shut down the Sci-Hub account after they received a valid court order, but a private monopolist cannot be trusted to be the arbiter of what is permitted speech.

You missed the worldwide vote for the company that should hold the only truths in all matters? Twitter won. Google second and FB third.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by jokethrowaway »

dickbar wrote: post #22

This move is bold and refreshing. I think Facebook and Amazon should also be taking action (assuming sci hub is using AWS and people are posting links to it on FB and organizing groups). It’s only fair that, in case of breach of any law, regardless of where it comes from, that same measures be applied in each and every case. I’m sure HN would agree given what has transpired over the last week. Edit: I missed to inclu…

They're private companies, they are not required to uphold the law.

We have police and courts which are paid to do that.

I can understand removing content that would make them liable in front of a court (as publishers) - anything else they remove it's censorship and I don't like it.

Re: Twitter shuts down account of Sci-Hub

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

speeder wrote: post #40
Solocomplex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His speech has not been restricted in any real way. He can call a press conference and communicate with every American within minutes.

I am not from US, but would like to point you are wrong about that. He can call a conference, but the press is not obliged to show up. https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cnn-white-house-press-confe... And since that in 2017, when they figured they could skip his press conferences, it has becoming more and more normal, if I remember correctly he announced a press conference only some days ago and it was ignored by almos…

He can publish video or any content he wants on whitehouse.gov; I'm sure he would get millions of views overnight.

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Post by franklampard »

speeder wrote: post #40
Solocomplex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His speech has not been restricted in any real way. He can call a press conference and communicate with every American within minutes.

I am not from US, but would like to point you are wrong about that. He can call a conference, but the press is not obliged to show up. https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cnn-white-house-press-confe... And since that in 2017, when they figured they could skip his press conferences, it has becoming more and more normal, if I remember correctly he announced a press conference only some days ago and it was ignored by almos…

The White House needs to build a healthy relationship with the press.

Why would you expect them to come the moment you want them after blasting them as fake news, and kicking them out when you dislike their questions?

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