Facebook Incubated the Insurrection • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by imnotlost » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

IncRnd wrote: post #203

kingaillas wrote: post #167

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>There was not a peep about their content until from their reps until 1/6 According to Amazon's response to Parler's lawsuit, they were warned for months about their content. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664... There is a handy summary of this on Ars Technica as well. That article also says Parler was relying on volunteer moderation to clear their backlog of over 26000 posts.

The link you posted to courtlistener.com shows that Parler responded within two days to Amazon's request and apologized it took them a long time. You wrote that Amazon warned Parler about their content, but that's not what your link shows. It shows that Amazon asked a question about policies regarding specific posts, and Parler answered with their policies.

This is what AWS said in their letter to Parler before cutting them off. It sounds reasonable enough to me

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/read-amazons-letter-to-...

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by sneak » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

zests wrote: post #11

Yes, social media and maybe even the internet as a whole will radicalize its users. Facebook is a groupthink incubator. So is hacker news. I've witnessed many people change their political beliefs to match whichever group they belong to.

Radicalization is a good thing in a group as traditionally as discouraging as nonconformity as much of the US.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by wayneftw » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

goto11 wrote: post #25

zests wrote: post #11

Yes, social media and maybe even the internet as a whole will radicalize its users. Facebook is a groupthink incubator. So is hacker news. I've witnessed many people change their political beliefs to match whichever group they belong to.

In what direction does HN radicalize us?

Try telling HN that you can generally "only do what Apple allows you to do on a Mac" and how that basically makes it "less of a general purpose computer" than others and see how people respond.

To be fair, I don't think of these people as radicals so much as they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The bubble that protects them is strong here.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by zests » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #267

babygoat wrote: post #188

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Are you being facetious, or are you really saying the definition of a riot or insurrection change according to your preferences?

I think they are comparing Jan 6 with the summer's BLM protests. I don't have a fully coherent argument why the two are different, but intuitively I think they are very different. For example, one was a response to unchecked executive power (killings by police), while the other was incited by unchecked executive power (the president).

Or even the HK protests. I could list many famous [protests|riots] in history and they would also make great examples.

I am not referring to any real life events.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by umeshunni » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

zug_zug wrote: post #197

I think the title says one thing but the body doesn't really provide enough evidence to support the title (aka linkbait). The body shows some people got a bunch of likes for saying crazy things on Facebook. I assume that's true of twitter or all social media, and true for all conspiracy theories. I'd be curious what exactly the proposal is from this post.

This is just NY times' daily anti-Facebook tirade. Facebook pissed the NYTimes off a few years ago when they backed off on an ads deal and since then NYT has daily hit pieces against facebook.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

sojournerc wrote: post #171

dastbe wrote: post #149

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> At no time did I see even a single post advocating violent overthrow of the government, white supremacy, etc. Apparently, neither did any of those planning the Capital attack, since they were not Parler members. how do you reconcile this opinion with the reporting that uses gps data from the parler data dump to place parler users at the protest and in the capitol building? https://gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-…

Ok - those were likely Facebook users also, maybe on Twitter, maybe they used Gmail. Guilt by association is something we should avoid. It looks an awful lot like a witch hunt.

Once again, none of those other services listed exist for the rhetoric leading to the 6th.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by ctrlp » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

jf22 wrote: post #231

ctrlp wrote: post #166

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It is false that parler doesn't moderate its content. The details of their deplatforming are coming to light and subject to change. My intel may be false about those details so as a courtesy to you I called that out. What's the confusion?

I'm not confused. It's just curious to tell people to not spread false information and then admit you may be spreading false information.

I apologize if English isn't your native language but it is a simple fact satisfied with the simplest google search that Parler does moderate its content. Therefore it is false to say they do not. Please don't spread "known false" information. Pretty simple. What follows my caveat is supported by evidence and testimony. If the testimony was false, then my intel may not be reliable. I don't believe that to be true but I'm not infallible. What follows my intel is my opinion. My opinion is based on more than what happened to Parler. I'm sure I could have made that clearer. Maybe I should have put line breaks in to help people who have trouble parsing arguments in prose.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by rhino369 » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

inanutshellus wrote: post #9

Facebook is intrinsically a passion-group generator. Where "passion" is the edges of "adoration" to "enmity". Anything that "triggers" you (to interact w/ the platform), be it pottery or anarchy, FB will find "your people". If you are prone to fits of passion, FB will find your passion-mates... mated to you by fear, anxiety, rage ... or joy.

No more than any social website. If anything, it’s more moderate than pseudo anonymous social sites like forums, chat rooms, blogs, etc.

My crazy uncles rants on Facebook are tame compared to the ones he makes on FreeRepublic.com—the web1.0 version of parlar. He’s not preaching the choir and he’s knows normal people will see it.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by ctrlp » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

stevenwoo wrote: post #248

ctrlp wrote: post #177

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Have you have spent time in parler and can speak to its content? Or are you just amplifying other people's opinions? It is trivial to cherry pick content from Twitter or Facebook that would be outrageous to decent people.

Someone published an investigative report on 1/5 about different social media, the calls to violence were worst in his opinion on Parler https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/05/how-the-...

I like and read bellingcat, but, if we're being honest, it is not a neutral source of information.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

fsociety wrote: post #272

mc32 wrote: post #141

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The issue is that it’s not federated by jurisdiction, so they apply American laws and principles to people in Ghana as well as Mexico and Indonesia, but all these countries have different frameworks for speech and what’s allowed and not. Facebook however does not observe that unless they get pressured (like Turkey). We may both hold that Turkey has issues with authoritarianism and freedom of speech, but that’s up to…

Again, it is not up to Facebook to serve the needs of the government. It’s why transparency is so critical for the platform, and they are transparent that they value American ideals.. which no surprise include skepticism against government. They don’t attempt to solve authoritarianism in Turkey, but they do not allow authoritarian comments which lead to harm. There are obvious issues with Facebook, but this seems pre…

No, not the government, local laws. Libel in the US is different from libel in the U.K., for example.

They should federate the service and have moderators for every market who know local laws and mores.

One issue is everyone is in the global user bucket, rather than having jurisdictional buckets (the way Wikipedia does).