Facebook Incubated the Insurrection • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by dfxm12 » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

asxd wrote: post #136

ctrlp wrote: post #131

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That's false. Please don't spread false information, whatever your politics. Parler had very similar terms of service to other content companies prohibiting illegal, violent, or copyrighted content. They also paid a team of content moderators to adjudicate flagged posts. They worked happily with their reps at Apple, Google, and AWS right up until the Friday Night Massacre. They were a small company experiencing massi…

I won't pretend to be close to the matter, but my understanding was Parler's value proposition to users was that they wouldn't moderate as heavily?

That was their marketing, yes, but, as happens from time to time, the marketing was not truthful.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

adtac wrote: post #209

neartheplain wrote: post #144

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> Guns are mostly used to kill people. That’s an incorrect statement. Let’s look at the evidence. More than 50 million Americans engaged in some kind of recreational shooting in 2018 [0]. Compare that to 14,000 gun-related homicides across the country in the same period [1], mostly in certain high-crime communities [2]. The CDC estimates there are between 500,000 and 3 million instances of defensive gun use in the US…

Okay, compare this to the ratio of recreational knife use (including kitchens) to violent knife use and you'll see why guns are a problem.

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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by sneak » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

nip180 wrote: post #115

dcolkitt wrote: post #86

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There's a lot of rationales you can give, but the real answer is that banning Facebook would cause Google to miss their quarterly earnings. Many people are willing to take a stand for their beliefs, many fewer are willing to nuke their RSUs.

Nuking your RSUs will also make an enemy of every other person in your company with RSUs. You might not be fired, but you’ll likely lose most of your social capital at the company.

What do you mean by "nuking"?

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by Bakary » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #64

jlehman wrote: post #19

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> He didn't understand how someone could have such disregard for the value of human life and democracy... Maybe he hasn't heard about Tiananmen Square[1], since in China it never happened[2]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

It may well be that he didn't. I have had Chinese colleagues that thought the Dalai Lama was some kind of devil. I think it is difficult to imagine real life within Chinese borders.

>I think it is difficult to imagine real life within Chinese borders.

This is classic orientalism, especially the idea that people can't figure their way out of a plastic bag without Western input. In reality, the Chinese population holds a range of opinions just as diverse as in any other country. And why wouldn't it? It just takes time and effort to cross the language barrier and come into contact with it from the West.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by TearsInTheRain » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

throwawayosiu1 wrote: post #92

On a side-note, I hate how Facebook sticks to their real name policy and does not allow for the creation of multiple accounts (I'd want one for my startup / work etc. and another for my personal use case for my friends / family etc.). That said, all the mainstream social media apps - Facebook and Twitter had a hand and if Parler was de-platformed with that reason, then they should be as well. I mean, if a 700B and a…

I dont think they were trying to pacify dems. I think they have wanted to do this for a long time but couldnt with Trump in power. This was a cathartic release for San Francisco bay liberals

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by AlexandrB » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

zyxzevn wrote: post #163

It was a protest. Don't start the gaslighting again.

It was a protest whose specific goal was delaying the ratification of a democratic election and that included individuals who apparently hoped to take democratically elected representatives hostage.

Maybe "insurrection" is the wrong word, but "protest" is too. Calling this "gaslighting" seems like projection.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by mumblemumble » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #14

So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

Defending Google's right to choose who to do business with - for (with certain notable exceptions involving protected classes of individuals) any purpose, no matter how petty, is not excusing Google for being capricious. It's recognizing that the norms of civil society mean that there are certain times when you need to just hold your nose and acknowledge that someone gets to do something you don't like, because the cure would be worse than the disease.

If there's a problem here, it's that Google has grown to be so powerful. Nobody was ever concerned about Lifeway Christian Bookstores being extremely selective in whose products they would carry, for reasons that many would consider quite discriminator. Why? Because Lifeway has lots of competitors, and no effective way to compel people to only buy books from them.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by LatteLazy » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #14

So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

Here are a couple:

Facebook could have 100 times more violent content than parler, but it would be a much smaller percentage of content because Facebook is 1000000 times bigger. It's that simple really. Banning Parler is more efficient.

Also, Parler went out and sold itself as somewhere this was allowed, protected and encouraged. Facebook didn't, quite the opposite in fact.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by syndacks » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #253

nip180 wrote: post #115

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Nuking your RSUs will also make an enemy of every other person in your company with RSUs. You might not be fired, but you’ll likely lose most of your social capital at the company.

What do you mean by "nuking"?

devaluing

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by sn_master » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

tester34 wrote: post #109

sn_master wrote: post #47

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There are many Taboo opinions and thought tracks on HN that guarantee downvoting and as a result anyone not exposed to them in advance might be inclined to think that they must be heresies that should never be considered by the intelligentsia. Example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25768269 And things that contradict The Great Stallman teachings like TiVoization (even in self-driving cars) or saying that someth…

> or saying that something can be done more efficiently with Windows are people here this naive?

I loved developing all kinds of command line and UI tools for Windows, so I might be a little biased, but I found the Linux equivalents..well..not as easy and straightforward to say the least. But, there is countless posts here passionately defending and stating otherwise, that I don't even know if I should bring it up in a discussion.

What do you think?