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Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by waheoo »

earthscienceman wrote: post #165
ransom1538 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass" This is how it always turns out: Orwellian 'At the end of Animal Farm, the pigs start to walk on their hind legs. This is significant because the animals have gone from saying "Four legs good, two legs bad" to the chant "Four legs good, two legs BETTER." Napoleon begins carrying a whip, and soon all…

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Two paywalls and an article that describes people as seditious with zero context or point of reference.

Do you have an actual point?

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by bcrosby95 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #156
lesstenseflow wrote: post #143

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There's a lot of space between "what violates the law" (or explicit ios/play store Terms of Use for that matter) and "what will get you kicked off twitter" and I believe Parler operated in that space. Users could post stuff that would get them booted off twitter, but that was legal speech. This was fine with iOS & play store & AWS until they all simultaneously and independently (wink wink) realized it violated their…

> Users could post stuff that would get them booted off twitter, but that was legal speech I'm curious what kind of posts would definitely fall into this distinction. I see plenty of really distasteful, vile comments show up on Twitter. And AFAIK inciting violence is illegal. So the area between those seems to me like it would be pretty narrow. My impression of Parler is more that they only deleted illegal speech of…

> And AFAIK inciting violence is illegal.

Sure, but in the USA it's actually really hard to incite violence in the eyes of the law. For example, when it comes to USA laws, Trump almost definitely did not incite violence. But lots of people would disagree with the statement that he didn't incite violence.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by zests »

babygoat wrote: post #173
zyxzevn wrote: post #163

It was a protest. Don't start the gaslighting again.

Deadly assault and destruction of a federal building is a protest to you?

Which event are we talking about?

The ones that agree with my sensibilities are protests. The others are riots.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by waheoo »

kingaillas wrote: post #167
ctrlp wrote: post #131

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That's false. Please don't spread false information, whatever your politics. Parler had very similar terms of service to other content companies prohibiting illegal, violent, or copyrighted content. They also paid a team of content moderators to adjudicate flagged posts. They worked happily with their reps at Apple, Google, and AWS right up until the Friday Night Massacre. They were a small company experiencing massi…

>There was not a peep about their content until from their reps until 1/6 According to Amazon's response to Parler's lawsuit, they were warned for months about their content. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664... There is a handy summary of this on Ars Technica as well. That article also says Parler was relying on volunteer moderation to clear their backlog of over 26000 posts.

So they did moderate but not to your standard?

Or they were completely hands off? Which is it? Goalpost one or two?

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by cbozeman »

earthscienceman wrote: post #165
ransom1538 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass" This is how it always turns out: Orwellian 'At the end of Animal Farm, the pigs start to walk on their hind legs. This is significant because the animals have gone from saying "Four legs good, two legs bad" to the chant "Four legs good, two legs BETTER." Napoleon begins carrying a whip, and soon all…

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This is fucking fantastic... its truly Orwellian to gaslight people into thinking they're using "Orwellian" incorrectly.

When what all these people really mean, but obviously can't say, is, "We didn't think we would become the Orwellian overlords!"

Chomsky said it best, “Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

Right now, there's an enormous liberal bias in Silicon Valley. The founders of these companies are more libertarian - some are even conservative, but their employees by-and-large are anywhere from left-leaning to far-left. That's fine. I don't see anything wrong with that. The resultant problem is with the helicopter parenting generation that produced these people, and their inability to accept things that make them uncomfortable.

But... its okay, because like all complex systems, it trends toward equilibrium, and now you're starting to see the system self-correct.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewzah wrote: post #105
leetcrew wrote: post #102

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> That seems like a pretty significant determinant when considering which site had a more direct connection to the events that transpired. does it really? "tries but fails to moderate extremism at massive scale" doesn't seem better than "makes no effort to moderate at much smaller scale". I guess the first leaves some potential for improvement in the future, but I don't expect a whole lot from facebook.

Intent does matter. Why don't you try moderating posts at the scale facebook receives them, and we can compare the results. edit: I am not advocating for or against facebook being so large. What I am saying is there is a clear distinction between facebook and e.g. parler in terms of moderation.

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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by Swenrekcah »

zyxzevn wrote: post #163

It was a protest. Don't start the gaslighting again.

The sitting president riled up his supporters and told them to march on the Capitol and “take their country back” because he lost the election and can’t deal with it. He told them to stop Congress and that they were allowed to go to great lengths because the election was stolen.

This wasn’t a normal protest, it was an insurrection directed by the sitting president of the USA against democracy and thus the people of the USA.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by babygoat »

zests wrote: post #183
babygoat wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deadly assault and destruction of a federal building is a protest to you?

Which event are we talking about? The ones that agree with my sensibilities are protests. The others are riots.

Are you being facetious, or are you really saying the definition of a riot or insurrection change according to your preferences?

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by cbozeman »

jimmydorry wrote: post #112
andrewzah wrote: post #105

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Intent does matter. Why don't you try moderating posts at the scale facebook receives them, and we can compare the results. edit: I am not advocating for or against facebook being so large. What I am saying is there is a clear distinction between facebook and e.g. parler in terms of moderation.

As we saw with Parler, your fledgling site can get deplatformed by the few key players in the cloud / app distribution / and service providers. "Just make it" is no longer as convincing a non-sequitor as it used to be.

Its going to be okay. This whole "Just make your own Twitter!", "Just make your own datacenter!", "Just make your own payment processor!" is exactly what will eventually happen.

I think we might be seeing the start of a total division of society along political sides.

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