We should consider shutting down all the various social networks, especially Facebook. These things don’t seem to be actually helping humanity.
Facebook Incubated the Insurrection
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#92On a side-note, I hate how Facebook sticks to their real name policy and does not allow for the creation of multiple accounts (I'd want one for my startup / work etc. and another for my personal use case for my friends / family etc.).
That said, all the mainstream social media apps - Facebook and Twitter had a hand and if Parler was de-platformed with that reason, then they should be as well.
I mean, if a 700B and a 50B company can't solve this issue, than how can we expect a much much smaller company like Parler to tackle it?
But it's obvious that these companies don't give a damn about the insurrection - This was entirely to pacify the dems by giving them a "Win" considering they have the House, Senate and Presidency.
It's funny because the company I'm currently consulting for a company that has a ~1B/yr account with Amazon and we've decided to slow our cloud migration projects. We run a major media site and if AWS decides to capitulate to the pressure from essentially people on social media or the wrath of the US Govt, what's stopping them from doing the exact same from Govts of other countries?
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#93So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…
I'm going to need a few "Jump to conclusions" mats to manage all of the replies to this. Nuts. Propaganda sure does work.
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#94NYT engineered consent for the Iraq War?
Absolutely correct. The actions of mainstream media have resulted in countless deaths, destruction and other barbarous acts committed as a result of fake news and propaganda. Yet they call for the censorship of others for deeds that pale in comparison.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes Facebook worse, in my mind, is that people don't seem to care that it's their real name associated with terrible radical, violent and angry comment. At least on something like 4Chan you'd be anonymous, but nope, people will write the most grotesque comments, while everyone can see their real name, where they live and who they work for. Some people don't seem to care, and that's pretty scary.
A lot of 4chan was self aware. But on Facebook they think they're saying what everyone is thinking. They aren't trolling
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#96We should bar mega corporations like Amazon and Facebook from receiving public funds and subsidies. One of the many things that invalidates that argument that one should just "start your own ISP/cloud service/etc" is the fact that these megacorporations receive billions in things like subsidies. I would argue that if private companies can do what they want but the government is forbidden from favoring religion, controlling speech, then they shouldn't be giving assistance to companies that do so.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-news/amazon-hq...
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still do it. Get your own server in a colo that's owned by someone friendly to your political viewpoint. Keep some spares in a closet for when the feds inevitably come when someone uses your unmoderated platform to plan crimes.
> Get your own server in a colo that's owned by someone friendly to your political viewpoint. ...until someone up in the food chain will either shut that down too or force them to disassociate with you. https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/25/21532883/paypal-cuts-tie... > Keep some spares in a closet for when the feds inevitably come when someone uses your unmoderated platform to plan crimes. Section 230.
I think most people don’t understand that the regime will define and redefine what hate speech is, over time.
It’s those icky conservatives now, but the same mechanism will be used against more people tomorrow, as needed.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Parler, unlike Facebook, only existed to foment the kinds of rhetoric and ideologies that lead to the 6th.
How do you reconcile the whole “if you don’t like Facebook moderation go build your own” bit.
vk did it. The profile/photo/video piece is fairly enough to duplicate. The app /games platform not so much.
Vk is very popular and has scaled well.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
One key takeaway from 1/6 is that a sizable chunk of the mob had no idea that they were doing anything wrong, and are surprised to find themselves in handcuffs after the fact. At least most historical revolutionaries had the self awareness to understand that trying to overthrow the state is super illegal , and maybe a bit of clandestine-ness is in their own best interest.
> a sizable chunk of the mob had no idea that they were doing anything wrong Has anyone dug into this? What were the actual stories that caused that suspension of critical thinking? (Serious answers, please.)
Not being sarcastic, but a lot of them are honest-to-god cultists; their connection with concrete reality is tenuous at best. They think that Q is real, and that Trump had secret information about vague evilness being done by Congress (eating babies or similar) that was going to be revealed when they got into the Capitol. Then they were going to arrest them all and execute them as punishment for their alleged crimes. This is what Q believers call “the storm”.
It’s never possible to point to one or two stories that radicalize people like that; it’s not possible to do it that quickly. It takes a certain prior mental state (having a weak social net seems to make it worse), and continual exposure to increasingly radical stories. Like any cult, the rejection of non-members is heavily pushed, which leaves the victim more dependent on the cult and with fewer anchors to reality.
I think any good book about how cults work would be relevant for these people, given that I believe they’re in a cult. But if you’re looking for something more specific, Bellingcat has a great article[0] on the Ashli Babbitt, the Q supporter shot and killed by Capitol police as she breached the final barrier to where congress members were hiding.
0 - Content Warning: lethal violence is discussed and shown in this article. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-as...
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#100So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…
> Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler
The phrase of 2020 was "too many". An arbitrary line.
There are "too many" unarmed black men being killed.
There are "too many" fake news stories being posted to Facebook.
There are "too many", "too many", "too many". We have to do "something" -- and this is something.
What asinine thing to say. First, does that mean there's an acceptable number of unarmed black men to be killed every year? But what this is trying to do is play yourself off as a moderate. "You know, I don't think we should be doing censorship... but there are just TOO MANY"
No. You're an authoritarian playing to scared people who want the problem to stop, and don't care what it costs.