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German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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> anonymous SIM cards Are anonymous SIM cards illegal in Germany? There are definitely some EU countries where you can buy a prepaid SIM card in a newspaper stand without presenting any ID and it is 100% legal.

Yes, they have been illegal in Germany since 2017. SIM cards now need to be registered by showing ID. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__111.html

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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But note that all those statement are about the amount of harm in an environment where alcohol is legal, cheaply available in every supermarket, widely advertized, and its consumption socially accepted, even expected . Can you really say in good conscience that other drugs wouldn't be worse if they became equally ubiquitous?

we are starting to get data on that for weed as it is legalized across the usa

Yes, cannabis is an example where evidence seems to support the idea that full legalization, while still causing some harm, is probably less harmful than criminalization, and might even overall reduce harm if it partially replaces alcohol.

But it's a bit of an outlier in that regard, among illegal drugs.

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Though if the seller is the police, the buyer is exposed.

honeypots are not allowed in germany afaik. The police is not allowed to sell drugs or ask people for drugs and then take them in

Also, drug laws are saner than in then US (apart from cannabis legalisation) and nobody is out to get you for minor amounts of any drug. Even getting caught selling drugs will get you locked up guaranteed, if you don't pair that with criminal conspiracy.

However, buying or selling weapons is no joke here.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

I would suggest that it is possible that some drugs are worse than others. That perhaps caffeine should be freely available but meth should be regulated or outlawed, for instance. I do not KNOW this to be the correct I am simply asking you to consider that it could be the case that some drugs are more dangerous to people/society than others. I do however agree that alcohol is likely extremely bad for people/societies…

> meth should be regulated or outlawed

In the US methamphetamines are already available legally as Desoxyn.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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I think the crux here is that decriminalising/legalising the use of drugs such as heroin would not make them more widespread and ubiquitous. Despite being illegal they are still so very easy to access in almost all countries, and most people are well aware of the high risks associated with them. Legalising them would bring users/abusers into a more public sphere where it is far easier to access harm reduction and the…

> I think the crux here is that decriminalising/legalising the use of drugs such as heroin would not make them more widespread and ubiquitous. That is a very ridiculously wrong statement. > Despite being illegal they are still so very easy to access in almost all countries You apparently have a pretty wide definition of "Very easy". I wouldn't have the faintest clue how to lay my hands on some heroin. Yes, I might st…

I'm surprised you don't get constantly hassled by sketchy people on the street trying to sell you drugs. Also, homeless people everywhere often know who to ask or where to go.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Exit scams are also a problem whose likelihood increases with time. Either the fed's bust in and take the user's money, or the market makers take off with the user's money, or both sides wait for the pot to get bigger. It kinda seems like fees and taxes, but instead of paying them on every transaction the users gamble on whether they'll be the one stuck with the bill. I'm also interested in the particular opsec failu…

>I'm also interested in the particular opsec failure for this iteration The person running this site did not have anything near the technical skills required to operate a darknet market. Instead of developing his own, he used a very clunky public script for his market https://github.com/5auth/eckmar-source All of the early posts by /u/darkmarket on Dread were in /d/darknetmarketsAU. Very early on other users figured…

I think owners who are not security pros may be more common because when somebody knows enough and have been doing it for some time, he may realize that with all his skill he still can be owned one way or another (and he will be given long enough time and high enough incentives).

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

"So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly." Same logic as... "let us not legally force face masks on people, but trust in their responsibility. Let us not control social distancing, but trust that people, especially young people, will be responsible" ... booooom, over 9000 covid cases. Democracy assumes rational people and people with responsibility. We see now how well it all w…

Well, we would need to elect a strong leader in that case that helps us with our immaturity.

... booooom, millions of people dead.

... or we could look at countries that did indeed legalize drug use completely and are successful with it.

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Uhhh... weed is not even close to the most purchased drug via the dark web. Certainly not in plant matter form. They'd have to legalize all the club/party drugs to make a dent; pills and powders, lsd.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

> So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly.

This edgy comment is brought to you by someone who wasn't around in the 80s to see junkies piling up in the streets.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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And yet Scandinavian countries have had great success by raising the price and limiting the availability of store-bought alcohol. I think this is similar to some UX patterns we see in software: most people will go with the default option because it is easier. Raising the amount of effort needed for something means fewer people will end up doing it.

Not sure what you mean by "success"? In Finland at least so many people (especially from the south) regularly (pre-COVID at least) take the ferry to Estonia to buy alcohol in bulk because of the insanely high alcohol taxes. If that option didn't exist I'd expect moonshine (and/or illegal exports) to become much more common.

A few years ago the government in Estonia raised taxes a bit too much on alcohol. The result was that Estonians started going to Latvia to buy alcohol. I believe even a lot of Finns are (or were) now buying alcohol from Latvia. Even alcohol that's made in Estonia is cheaper in Latvia.

There were some additional effects to this as well. Food is also cheaper in Latvia. Some people ended up doing a lot of their grocery shopping in Latvia as, because they were already there for be alcohol.

Politically, the Social Democrats got most of the blame for the tax increase. They had a large drop in votes in the most recent parliamentary election.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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I get how these market places are used for digital goods (malware, credit cards), but I don’t understand how people can trade physical goods on those. If they have to exchange products, they must either meet in person or use the mail, either is trackable by the authorities. I see how the seller can protect himself for local transactions. He could leave the goods hidden somewhere and tell the buyer where to go. But th…

In the UK: Occasionally someone gets fined and makes it to the local newspaper and all his friends laugh at how unlucky he was.

I suspect the cost for local enforcement or for the post office of preventing weed being sent via mail is just too high to be considered.

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