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Post by enriquto »

w_t_payne wrote: post #431
enriquto wrote: post #404

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> confidently assert 2020-12-21 15:12 over, say, 2020-12-22 15:15 via shadows Not at all. By visual inspection you can see whether it's the morning or the afternoon (if you know the orientation of the landmarks). I guess by image processing you could get a precision of +- 1h maybe?

How precise is a sundial? How high is the resolution of the camera? I'd imagine that on a bright sunny day with a high resolution camera showing clean sharp shadows, it'd be possible to get a precision much better than +/-1h.

Sure, I was thinking about a photo of human subjects in the foreground, with some distant buildings in the background. But if you photograph the shadow of the Eiffel tower on a clear sunny day you may be down to the precision of a couple of minutes.

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Post by gadders »

Meekro wrote: post #30

In contrast, Gab actually owns their own ASN and announces their own routes[1]. Much harder to deplatform. I'd expect no less from a YC alum! [1] https://bgp.he.net/AS42651

They had to do that because they got kicked off of everywhere else.

And sadly Andrew Torba was kicked out of YC because of his politics (however YC tries to spin it).

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Post by m1gu3l »

minot wrote: post #429
aljarry wrote: post #364

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90$ per TB

Is there still no easy straightforward way in $current_year to put an absolute spend cap of say USD 0, USD 5, or USD 10 per month on Amazon.com web services or Google Cloud Platform? I’d think I’d like to prepay a fixed dollar amount like USD 200 IF I anticipate some major event but really this is problematic for students. I just want to use the free tier. Why is this so hard?

they have alerts that can email you if you are approaching a limit but i don't think you can tie that to some automated shutting down of your stuff (i might be wrong i haven't worked in aws heavily for about 2 years now... believe others with more recent exp if they comment otherwise) tbh i kind of get why it is like this, aws is a business and they are only looking for your money. responsibility for keeping your pants up at aws is on the admins.

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Post by LarvaFX »

raxxorrax wrote: post #399
kennywinker wrote: post #338

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You can express opinions all you want, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work in order to justify compelling someone to do business with you after you say something they don’t like. Like, amazon isn’t actually the basic infrastructure of the internet. You can build web sites and apps without involving them. So why would a law force them to do business with you?

I try not to do business with companies that censor on political grounds. I don't like politics being banned in a professional context, but I slowly see no other solution. The political alignment of many Parler users isn't a secret and if they decide to measure skulls again, I might be in trouble. Still, I don't see them as a relevant threat at all. It is even more ridiculous as the terrorism scare. However, the acti…

A vegan parler calling for the execution of meat eaters would be banned just as well, don't you think?

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Post by sedev »

secondcoming wrote: post #450
roywashere wrote: post #447

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So people post it on Parlor themselves, it is publicly available, but it would be illegal to download for me? That does not make much sense.

My understanding is that not all of it was public posts. As an EU citizen, I can request that a company deletes my data. Unless this data dump is being treated as a crime scene or something, then the holders of this data will need some way to comply with these requests. Also, now AWS (or whatever cloud provider it is) is holding content that contains racist and/or illegal content. Are they not effectively now just an…

No, they're not. Holding a static, private archive is not the same thing as hosting a live, public site.

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Post by Thlom »

frollo wrote: post #379
rendall wrote: post #316

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> "I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down" I understand this on a visceral level, but I wish more people would look beyond that to the implications for communication on the web. This action by Amazon happens to correspond with what I think is right and just on first iteration, but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with?

> what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with? Honestly, none. It's their business and they can handle it however they want. What you can do (and this is exactly what Kolmisoppi was suggesting) is build your platform to work without relying on other people's business. I'm happy that companies like Amazon don't want to get associated with people who organized a failed coup. That shou…

These huge Internet companies really should be regulated. Last weeks we've seen these companies, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple act like governing bodies by banning Donald Trump from their platforms and essentially shut down a business (Parlor). This is problematic because these companies have monopolistic power, not only in the US, but also internationally.

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Post by mrweasel »

bobsmooth wrote: post #7

Parler decided not to buy their own hardware and rent their own rack space. Plenty of other unpopular websites have figured it out.

If you do social media, of any kind, you can't really rely to heavily on cloud providers. I know, Snapshot is a massive Google customer, but that means that they need to be rather careful.

Facebook and Twitter couldn't exist on AWS, unless Amazon chooses to enforce their rules very selectively. There is a ton of hate speech on Facebook, which is not censored, moderated and which clearly violate all sort of rule. Much of it is due to the language of the users not necessarily being English, or another major language. However, regardless of the language, the content can still easily be in violation of an AWS terms of service (and often Facebooks own).

If Facebook had been an AWS, Azure or GCP customer, they would have been shutdown long ago... Well they wouldn't, because the rules wouldn't really apply to them. I honestly don't care about Parler, Amazon has every right to shut of their service, they decide what customers they want on their platform. What I do care about, is that terms of service, rules for allowed speech is applied fairly and equally.

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Post by tim333 »

INTPenis wrote: post #365
berkes wrote: post #357

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> and notify you about it hours later if you decided to create usage alerts and bill you at the end of the month. This is the crucial part: AWS will serve whatever is request. It brings them money.

Sorry for OT but what about a simple small time private AWS user like me who uses it for static hosting my blog and stuff. Does that mean someone could request a lot of files, over and over, to increase my bill? Or is that served by some cache? Let's say for example I host Mastodon media on S3, about 30G of unique data. Could someone use that to increase the cost of my bill? I do of course have a budget alert set but…

If you search HN for aws bill https://hn.algolia.com/?query=aws+bill

there are a lot of interesting things that can go wrong.

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Post by raxxorrax »

LarvaFX wrote: post #454
raxxorrax wrote: post #399

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I try not to do business with companies that censor on political grounds. I don't like politics being banned in a professional context, but I slowly see no other solution. The political alignment of many Parler users isn't a secret and if they decide to measure skulls again, I might be in trouble. Still, I don't see them as a relevant threat at all. It is even more ridiculous as the terrorism scare. However, the acti…

A vegan parler calling for the execution of meat eaters would be banned just as well, don't you think?

I have seen countless comments from vegans that said meat eaters should be butchered instead of animals. The comments didn't get deleted. An no, I did't want to complain about them, venting is healthy and without victims on the internet.

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Post by cycomanic »

rendall wrote: post #359
kennywinker wrote: post #353

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If you come up with a good solution, let us know. Until then, I’m happy to support antitrust action against apple/google/amazon/facebook - but for more pressing reasons than the deplatforming of fascists attempting to overthrow a fair and free election.

> more pressing reasons than the deplatforming of fascists Hint: it's the identical problem to deplatforming BLM or Antifa or Occupy or the Proud Boys or pick anyone you agree with that annoys powerful people. "Having the better politics" will not protect you. "Oh they're just fascists" will not protect your peoples.

But they have been doing that since forever and nobody was complaining. Here's a link to when twitter deleted 125,000 ISIS accounts [1] (and they had been monitoring for islam extremist content for much longer already). So I ask why this uproar now that they are deplatforming fascists?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/05/twitter-d...

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