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Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by Kbelicius »

INTPenis wrote: post #371
throwaway894345 wrote: post #85

Obviously Parler didn't consider censorship as part of their threat model, while TPB necessarily had to. Moreover, I'm pretty sure TPB has gone down here and there, probably for weeks at a time. I don't think Parler's problems threat model is that bad; just maybe don't depend on companies that are liable to peer pressure. In the worst case you just get hosting from someone who isn't going to dump you because of socia…

TPB had a much greater threat to them. They were even threatened by domain registrars. How could you say TPB didn't consider censorship? What is a DMCA takedown if not censorship?

> How could you say TPB didn't consider censorship?

They didn't say that. They say in the first sentence that TPB had to consider censorship

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by mickotron »

MivLives wrote: post #217
jrochkind1 wrote: post #92

Also embarrassing: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vqew/the-hacker-who-archiv... > donk_enby had originally intended to grab data only from the day of the Capitol takeover, but found that the poor construction and security of Parler allowed her to capture, essentially, the entire website. That ended up being 56.7 terabytes of data, which included every public post on Parler, 412 million files in all—including 150 m…

I'm curious where someone just gets 56.7 tb of storage that quickly.

Crowdsourced. The crawling and downloading was able to be coordinated and performed by a bunch of people at the same time.

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Post by pelliphant »

slg wrote: post #133
f430 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GPS coordinates—unlike most social media sites, Parler does not strip metadata from media its users upload, which, crucially, could be useful for law enforcement OH SHI- This is a colossal mess up, on epic proportions.

Due to the people involved, Parler is almost certainly not a honeypot setup by the FBI, CIA, or some other government organization. However some of the details that have leaked out over the last week made me wonder how little of the site would have changed if that was the intended purpose.

they would have required authentication for their api calls if that was the case...

Besides that, probably not much. =)

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Post by indigodaddy »

WClayFerguson wrote: post #253
margaretdouglas wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS is a suite of services. One of those is EC2, which is just virtual servers hosted by Amazon/AWS. A virtual server is no different than a physical server from the perspective of the guest operating system, regardless of if it is Linux or not. Linux is just the software running on the server, it has nothing to do with ownership. The only way "running on AWS" is problematic is if you tied yourself to their non-gener…

We used AWS and EC2 at my last job so I've done about 4 years worth of what you're describing. Definitely if you use Amazon as your way of getting a Linux instance that's fine, because then you can just move to Linode or any other hosting service because Linux is the one thing they all support. When I say don't use "AWS" I should've been more clear I'm talking about their proprietary stuff. Basically you should be ab…

Parler didn’t use any proprietary AWS services.

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

cptskippy wrote: post #190
aabhay wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is increasingly, vanishingly hard to not use the big three cloud services. Mainly because any platform or tool you might use is _also_ hosted on these clouds.

Most everything I develop is in .NET and will run comfortably in Nginx, IIS, or an Azure App Service Resource. It's not that hard. In my experience most developers just inherit the infrastructure and even the base project from someone else. They've never stood up a server or configure anything from scratch so they have no idea what they're doing.

I've been telling people for ages that, even if they want to use a pre-built solution, they should at least set up the base systems a few times to get a better felling for them and.

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Post by pelliphant »

rendall wrote: post #316
ardy42 wrote: post #292

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> The Hacker Who Archived Parler Explains How She Did It (and What Comes Next) I'm really glad she did that. I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down, but it really needs to be archived somewhere for historical purposes, to help understand this moment. Given the kind of media and political impact Trump's tweets from @theRealDonaldTrump have been, I really hope they're archived at NARA along with the @POTUS twe…

> "I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down" I understand this on a visceral level, but I wish more people would look beyond that to the implications for communication on the web. This action by Amazon happens to correspond with what I think is right and just on first iteration, but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with?

In my opinion the internet was already seriously flawed.

This makes people talk about how they think it should work, not just how it works right now, which I think is exactly what is needed.

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Post by mschuster91 »

rendall wrote: post #363
mschuster91 wrote: post #360

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> To protect the speech of the reprehensible is to protect your own speech. That's what I would like you to understand. Actually, even in the US there are exceptions - namedly when speech is likely to incite crimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action

Indeed! We weren't talking about the 1st Amendment, but let's go where you lead: speech likely to incite imminent lawless action is illegal. Courts decide if that applies. Someday you might say "Politician Y should be hung by his thumbs". Politician Y and friends try to convince a judge that you thereby incite imminent lawless action. Of course, you were just feeling passionate, and no one reasonable would believe th…

> But if you wrote that on a site hosted on AWS, there is nothing in principle from Amazon taking the platform down.

The 1st Amendment (and its European equivalents) usually only bind the government, not private entities.

There is nothing per se preventing you (or Parler) to build their own datacenter or use another hoster - there is no "human right" to be able to use AWS. However, what still remains is that every company has the right to refuse service to an entity that is suspected of criminal activity - and the onus is on Parler to prove they will not serve as a planning platform for criminals.

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Post by Fnoord »

stouset wrote: post #249
neuronexmachina wrote: post #134

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Someone put together an animated heatmap of Parler photo locations along the Mall throughout the day of 1/6: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/kvx88n/oc_...

What I find astonishing is that—at least according to that heat map—it appears that bordering on 100% of the people using Parler in DC that day we’re part of the riot / coup / insurrection. This isn’t an app that’s in widespread general use but just so happens to also have a few bad apples using it too. It’s instead almost exclusively used by what would appear to be the most radical wing of the Trump party. Almost ev…

OPSEC 101: blend in, don't look suspicious. By banning these communities from the regular media (Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, ...), they need to gather via "anything goes" path where 'freedom of speech' protects their hate speech, such as bulletproof hosting. Which is expensive, and of which all traffic to/from is suspicious by default. Its essentially akin to Bitcoin mixing, or avoiding Monero.

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Post by blntechie »

a012 wrote: post #303
jrochkind1 wrote: post #92

Also embarrassing: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vqew/the-hacker-who-archiv... > donk_enby had originally intended to grab data only from the day of the Capitol takeover, but found that the poor construction and security of Parler allowed her to capture, essentially, the entire website. That ended up being 56.7 terabytes of data, which included every public post on Parler, 412 million files in all—including 150 m…

This is the proof to why I strip all metadata AND filename (esp. photos from camera include timestamp in filename) before uploading it to share one social medias.

iOS now have an option to do this natively. But I find it bit convoluted. My go to app for stripping out metadata from photos is Exif Viewer.

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Post by nullsense »

riffraff wrote: post #341
nullsense wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that make it a "quotemanteau"? Wait... Is that a thing? Are there more of these?

I vote for "quotemanteau" to be officially sanctioned! But I would say the specific case is merely a snowclone[0] of "any sufficiently X is indistinguishable from Y" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowclone

It appears to have the properties of both in this case.

That is to say it's a snowclone where the substitutions come from another quote.

I guess quotemanteaus are a special kind of unique snowclone.

You could take "with great power comes great responsibility" and form the snowclone "with great X comes great Y" and then take the quote "the medium is the message" and use those in your snowclone to make the quotemanteau "with a great medium comes a great message"

Hmm... I feel like I should try concoct more of these. They're fun.

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