German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace' • Hacker News Board

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by Tepix » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #79

pengaru wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhh... weed is not even close to the most purchased drug via the dark web. Certainly not in plant matter form. They'd have to legalize all the club/party drugs to make a dent; pills and powders, lsd.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

Alcohol is a big problem in Germany: 3 million people with alcohol issues and 74,000 yearly deaths.²

Weed is considered less of a problem by the scientific community.

The logical conclusion: Increase taxes on alcohol and legalize weed.

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² https://www.dhs.de/suechte/alkohol/zahlen-daten-fakten

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by red_trumpet » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #79

pengaru wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhh... weed is not even close to the most purchased drug via the dark web. Certainly not in plant matter form. They'd have to legalize all the club/party drugs to make a dent; pills and powders, lsd.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

> No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so.

That's a bit shortsighted though. Because if you end up in the hospital or with lung cancer, you will cost the public insurance lots of money.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by thinkingemote » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

Anyone suspect this weeks major disruption to the tor network was related to this? 4 days ago: "All v3 Onion addresses unavailable": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25714424

This article says that police called their operation "Operation DisrupTor" in 2019....

edits: https://matt.traudt.xyz/posts/tracking-tors-network-wide-v3-... suggests that it wasnt an attack although was written before the news.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by orange_tee » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:31 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #23

No matter what anyone says, I believe with every fiber of my being that simple drug dealing is a victimless crime. Free people choose to purchase and consume drugs to their own detriment (benefit). All violence related to the sale of drugs is ancillary to the fact some drugs (but not others - alcohol, marijuana, caffeine for starters) are illegal. https://freeross.org/

This freewill argument, you can make about a lot of things that are ultimately detrimental to society. Some people are gullible, others ignorant, and others still desperate. It's just not a good argument. For example, I don't want all grannies in my town to get swindled out of their property by smooth talking scammers. Your freewill argument would allow for that. I think that is individualism taken to the extreme and is very unnatural and inhuman. As social creatures we care about others, especially because it is detrimental to us if others close to us are hurt.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by thinkingemote » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:31 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #8

> A total of at least 320,000 transactions were carried out via the marketplace That's the total from 1-2 years (I can't find when in 2019 did they start). If that's the biggest right now, I'm surprised how small the markets are.

They also had 20 servers seized which also gives an indication on size.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by Uberphallus » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:44 AM UTC

KMag wrote: post #46

seibelj wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any store that sells knives contributes to murders. I would argue that alcohol is the biggest date rape drug by a large amount. Do you advocate banning alcohol?

I think the GP means "date rape drug" to mean CNS depressants that are extremely unlikely to be used recreationally.

Which don't exist. All date-rape drugs are used recreationally in smaller amounts.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by that_guy_iain » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:45 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #91

martin_a wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

Alcohol is a big problem in Germany: 3 million people with alcohol issues and 74,000 yearly deaths.² Weed is considered less of a problem by the scientific community. The logical conclusion: Increase taxes on alcohol and legalize weed. -- ² https://www.dhs.de/suechte/alkohol/zahlen-daten-fakten

From my experience talking to the people whose job it is to provide support and services to those who abuse substances. Most experts in substance abuse normally say Alcohol is the worst of all the substances. With many stating, it causes more havoc in families on scale than heroin. More people die because of Alcohol, not just from drinking it but from drink drivers, drunken fights, etc. The general violence caused by it is more than any other drug. The amount of families dealing with alcohol abuse with their family is more than any other substance. Drugs like heroin cause crime problems and family problems not because of what the drug does but because of the cost of the drug. It generally causes lots of petty crimes instead of murder, rape, etc.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by refurb » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:46 AM UTC

red_trumpet wrote: post #92

martin_a wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

> No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. That's a bit shortsighted though. Because if you end up in the hospital or with lung cancer, you will cost the public insurance lots of money.

Yeah, but that smoker would have paid a lot more in tobacco taxes and won’t be collecting a pension.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by ageofwant » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:47 AM UTC

red_trumpet wrote: post #92

martin_a wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, let's just legalize them all and hope that people will use them responsibly. As a German, I can, with no problem whatsoever, go into the next supermarket and buy enough alcohol and cigarettes to severly hurt myself. No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. Either we find (all) drugs bad, or we stop being such liars in regards to this.

> No one gives a shit, probably because the state earns money when I do so. That's a bit shortsighted though. Because if you end up in the hospital or with lung cancer, you will cost the public insurance lots of money.

True, but heavy smokers and drinkers tend to die earlier removing the states burden off supporting them later on. So it kind of evens out.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Post by Tenoke » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:50 AM UTC

thinkloop wrote: post #13

viraptor wrote: post #8

> A total of at least 320,000 transactions were carried out via the marketplace That's the total from 1-2 years (I can't find when in 2019 did they start). If that's the biggest right now, I'm surprised how small the markets are.

Agree. Maybe there are many small ones now rather than few huge ones. Would be interesting to see total dark market transactions by year.

The active ones with a significant number of transactions are a single digit amount typically with only a few 'bigger' ones (tho in reality still pretty small).