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Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
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Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the fact that it should be illegal for a private business to censor someone Putting the words "the fact that" in front of your opinion on a nuanced and controversial topic does not -- in fact -- make it a fact.
I see what you mean. I did not mean to say that censorship is not controversial. I was refering to the comment, that was commenting the article. What I tried to say was that the controversy about private entities censoring other private entities should be relatively small. That does indeed not diminish the fact that the state censoring someone is more complicated, I agree.
That is an american take on censorship.
Here is one from the other side of the pond: Private entities setting up rules for their services and then enforcing those rules are not that controversial.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#53This is absurd. Twitter etc are private companies and can do what they want wrt their user's accounts. If they don't want their far-right politicians getting censored, then they can ban those platforms from the country completely. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
A restaurant is a private company and if they don't want to serve blacks and jews they can completely do it. You see now how absurd that argument is?
Racial discrimination is a crime.
No one has been banned from Twitter for being black, or jewish.
You see now how absurd that argument is?
If you go into a restaurant and start screaming at people that the election was rigged, or waving a nazi flag, or telling everyone they should storm the kitchen to demand gluten free pasta, they will kick you the fuck out.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#54This is absurd. Twitter etc are private companies and can do what they want wrt their user's accounts. If they don't want their far-right politicians getting censored, then they can ban those platforms from the country completely. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
EU would very likely be delighted to have an excuse to ban Twitter and start their own clone.
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#55All I see lately is people conflating the right to free speech with the right to be heard . Free speech means that you can't be put in jail for something you say. That's it . But nobody has an entitlement to be amplified . That's not a right. Nobody has the right to unfettered access to someone else's platform. That's never, ever been the case. You never had the right to edit the front page of a newspaper that you do…
Free speech is an idea. It's also a law. Stop being pedantic over absolutely nothing.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#56This is absurd. Twitter etc are private companies and can do what they want wrt their user's accounts. If they don't want their far-right politicians getting censored, then they can ban those platforms from the country completely. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Poland is a country. They aren't responsible for upholding US law. They can do what they want to companies that decide to operate in Poland. Not only can they have their cake and eat it too, they will - unless said companies stop operating there.
once suppose the polish politician says something that is not allowed in other countries, so for example facebook has to delete it. but in poland it must not be "censored". what should happen then?
i think smaller companys will have start geo/ip blocking countries then. great.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#57All I see lately is people conflating the right to free speech with the right to be heard . Free speech means that you can't be put in jail for something you say. That's it . But nobody has an entitlement to be amplified . That's not a right. Nobody has the right to unfettered access to someone else's platform. That's never, ever been the case. You never had the right to edit the front page of a newspaper that you do…
As I've said time and time again, people say "free speech" but what they mean is "consequence free speech".
Why would you say that more than once?
Freedom of speech, whatever your take on it, is by definition freedom from some consequences. The argument is over which consequences are acceptable.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#58This is absurd. Twitter etc are private companies and can do what they want wrt their user's accounts. If they don't want their far-right politicians getting censored, then they can ban those platforms from the country completely. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
A restaurant is a private company and if they don't want to serve blacks and jews they can completely do it. You see now how absurd that argument is?
A restaurant is a private company and if a customer is abusive and they don't want to serve them they can completely do it.
The argument is not absurd, it only has its limitations and is not absolute. You have shown one of the limitations: Discrimination based on identity is one of them.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#59This is absurd. Twitter etc are private companies and can do what they want wrt their user's accounts. If they don't want their far-right politicians getting censored, then they can ban those platforms from the country completely. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
A restaurant is a private company and if they don't want to serve blacks and jews they can completely do it. You see now how absurd that argument is?
Speech is voluntary.
Having been born a black or a jew (at least for the genetics) is not.
Edit: more generally, this is something you are vs something you did. The latter is widely considered as acceptable criterion for revoking your privileges or rights.
Re: Poland plans to make censoring of social media accounts illegal
#60If you wonder what exactly they want to protect, [1] is the recent ruling of a Polish court. As of Jan 12th, publicly saying that "gay people are perverts" is fine as far as Polish law is concerned.
[0] Background in English: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/polish-activis...
[1]The ruling (Polish only): https://oko.press/kaja-godek-wygrala-w-sadzie-zboczency/