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Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by toast0 »

Meekro wrote: post #58
kkielhofner wrote: post #46

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They're only advertising to one peer. It's possible they have other peering arrangements in place they're not advertising to. Or maybe they're single homed. They also only have a single IPv4 /24 from ARIN. No IPv6. Not terribly robust or impressive. I've never used Gab or looked at their infrastructure before. A quick look shows they're behind Cloudflare. No clue where they're actually hosted or what the infra looks…

You're right that the single peer is a concern. Maybe they have others that are hidden for now, like you said? I don't think they need more than a few IP addresses since most of their hardware could sit on a private network with only a single load balancer visible from the Internet. Also, a small ASN doesn't really need IPv6 compatibility to function, and won't for many years to come. Since they're still using Cloudf…

Ideally, for redundancy, you'd run in more than one datacenter. That's hard to do with only one /24; most networks won't take BGP advertisements more specific than /24, so you can't easily run half your ips at each DC. Maybe HE allows it for transit customers, but it makes the routing messier.

They could be doing anycast, but that's pretty sophisticated. They could also only advertise the /24 from one DC at a time, but that's error prone. Or maybe advertise from both and forward to the live DC over a private link/VPN.

I do see in Octoberish, they were peering with a second network, and they have second network in their IRR records. Could just be so they can use one of the DDoS filter companies that advertises your netblock, and sends you clean traffic. Can't do that (easily) if you get IPs from your transit provider and it's not a service they support.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by mschuster91 »

rendall wrote: post #316
ardy42 wrote: post #292

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> The Hacker Who Archived Parler Explains How She Did It (and What Comes Next) I'm really glad she did that. I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down, but it really needs to be archived somewhere for historical purposes, to help understand this moment. Given the kind of media and political impact Trump's tweets from @theRealDonaldTrump have been, I really hope they're archived at NARA along with the @POTUS twe…

> "I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down" I understand this on a visceral level, but I wish more people would look beyond that to the implications for communication on the web. This action by Amazon happens to correspond with what I think is right and just on first iteration, but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with?

> but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with?

Parler had people discussing murdering Congresspeople and didn't do anything about it. No matter which faction of "what level of free speech is acceptable" one subscribes, this is never acceptable and it is no wonder that Parler got booted off.

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Post by armada651 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #315
jeromegv wrote: post #104

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Shut the fuck up and do our job hasn't really worked well once the capitol was attacked, those people were organizing in public in many social media platforms (not just Parler!) and people working at those social media companies shut the fuck up and did their job. And then that happened. Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your busines…

> Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your business operate once the government is down? Let's dispatch with the second one first. Even if you bulldozed the entire city of DC and everyone who works there was permanently relocated to the North Pole by Santa Claus to make toys for little children forever, there would still be a governmen…

> At which point it's not clear that we even need a step two, because then the relevant people are in jail.

I know the US has the biggest prison population in the world, but you can't keep these people in prison for life. They will be released from jail at some point and start spreading their ideology again.

I hate to pull a godwin, but "let's throw the insurrectionists in jail and that's the end of that" hasn't worked out well historically. Let's just hope none of them writes a book while doing their time.

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Post by wmil »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #128
userbinator wrote: post #78

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Dates were represented as strings in "YYYYMMDD" format (so today would be "20210113053923") instead of UNIX timestamps Such a representation naturally avoids the Y2K38 problem, and could go beyond Y10K. It's traditional in Windows and DOS (neither of which have the Y2K38 problem) to store timestamps as a structure of fields. The other things you noted I agree with, however.

If they're using a javascript 53bit int representation for the seconds (or an int64_t cast down to a javascript big int) then it's a Y142711K problem, by which point the Imperium of Mankind will hopefully have settled on a more robust format.

The tech-priests will have lost the ability to fix it.

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Post by [deleted] »

trianglem wrote: post #328
outoftheabyss wrote: post #153

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Or on Twitter, or facebook Curiosity, exchange of views, diversifying the news and information I’m exposed to, follow some people I am interested in hearing from, respect for censorship stance. These are the first that spring to mind

Promoting fascism is not diversifying views, it’s propagating hate.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

userbinator wrote: post #78
formalsystems wrote: post #37

I got the sense while crawling data from their API that the engineering quality is poor at Parler. Dates were represented as strings in "YYYYMMDD" format (so today would be "20210113053923") instead of UNIX timestamps, certain fields were duplicated for no reason (e.g. every object would have an identical "id" and "_id" key), counts of impressions/comments/etc would be the display strings rather than raw numbers (so…

Dates were represented as strings in "YYYYMMDD" format (so today would be "20210113053923") instead of UNIX timestamps Such a representation naturally avoids the Y2K38 problem, and could go beyond Y10K. It's traditional in Windows and DOS (neither of which have the Y2K38 problem) to store timestamps as a structure of fields. The other things you noted I agree with, however.

ISO 8601 is a good one.

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Post by gabereiser »

dang wrote: post #272
gabereiser wrote: post #264

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I really hope they find you, prosecute you, and you never work in software again. Thanks for ruining a company for the countless others who were staying there, regardless of your experience, because they believed in what they were doing, and working towards their own personal goals. I don't know the details, but I know if someone did that to a company that I was invested in, I would be devastated. Please go away, nev…

Attacking another user like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. They don't stop applying in cases like this, and we're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang&s...

Apologies, won’t happen again.

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Post by kennywinker »

rendall wrote: post #330
kennywinker wrote: post #319

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The only principal that protects that kind of group is that we agree with it. It’s not much, but it’s something.

If only there were some principle or value that would somehow... allow us to express opinions even if others - even powerful people, or even the majority of people - disagreed with us. Some kind of inalienable right. Hmm. It is a mystery.

You can express opinions all you want, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work in order to justify compelling someone to do business with you after you say something they don’t like.

Like, amazon isn’t actually the basic infrastructure of the internet. You can build web sites and apps without involving them. So why would a law force them to do business with you?

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Post by gargron »

fomine3 wrote: post #265
Exmoor wrote: post #157

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Indeed. The level of security failure was pretty incredible. They named media serially (So, pics/1.jpg, pics/2.jpg, etc.) and did not have any validation that you were allowed to access what you were grabbing so it was literally as easy as possible to grab everything. Oh, and did I mention that private messages were also fully accessible?

So Gab's strategy (fork Mastodon) looks solid for security but they hit performance issue because Mastodon isn't made for such scale.

Mastodon scales horizontally until PostgreSQL becomes the bottleneck:

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/scaling/

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by [deleted] »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #125
jeromegv wrote: post #104

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Shut the fuck up and do our job hasn't really worked well once the capitol was attacked, those people were organizing in public in many social media platforms (not just Parler!) and people working at those social media companies shut the fuck up and did their job. And then that happened. Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your busines…

Belgium was without a government for years. No one really cared I think its possible to think of a world where dc simply goes on vacation and the rest of the country is just fine.

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