Intel could stop making CPUs altogether and would still be a huge player.
This is all the result of Intel fab failings. They have the talent to compete, dunno if the leadership wants to take to it.
Intel is dying and we can’t save it
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Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everything else is ruled by backwards compatibility That's one of the biggest reasons to choose them. If Intel's "x86" stops being x86 , they'll lose one of their biggest competitive advantages. See the first comment here, for example: http://www.os2museum.com/wp/vme-broken-on-amd-ryzen/
Yes but loosing that security blanket will make them better.
Not much, as you can see on Zen3.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#123Let's all just come to a common agreement: there's no planet on which the US military allows Intel to die. Period. End of story. Having a US based company with fabrication facilities on US soil is vital to national security and will be for the entirety of my lifetime and likely my grandchildren's lifetime (if I ever have any). For all the bluster of the investors wanting to chop Intel up: they will find a swift and f…
If they're propping Intel up as their last bastion of chip superiority they've already lost. The US knows they need to defend Taiwan with the full weight of their military resources. This means war in the event of an invasion or takeover.
If the US loses influence over Taiwan and subsequently TSMC, they've lost. In this phase of global geopolitics, whoever controls the chips has the influence. You can't do anything without compute resources.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Core Architecture in the mid 2000's was such an incredible shot back to the top. I remember seeing the benchmarks absolutely dominate AMD on every level, power, performance, TDP, Cost, etc. etc. This is almost immediately after Athlon 64 and the Athlon 64X2 started to gain market share, spanking Intel's Pentium 4 at the time. IIRC Intel ended up dropping the Prescott architecture, moving to the Pentium M architec…
This just puts into perspective how stagnate cpus have been, ~14 years and we are just starting to move to more than 4 core processors on prosumer systems.
Sad really. I was so passionate about hardware then. I lost interest because the innovation just dropped off a cliff. We were nearly exponential before the Core i series. Interestingly during that period Servers have had many-core CPU's. It just seems that Intel hasn't had a reason to push the envelope on the consumer side.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#125And that's okay.
If Taiwan ends up getting trampled by China, we'd effectively only have Samsung for cutting edge lithography.
China doesn't need to trample Taiwan, they can simply afford to hire the best engineers out of TSMC at 2.5x pay because Chinese companies are backed directly by the Chinese government and can afford to throw tons of money at this problem.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/China-hires-over...
I'm sure not all engineers at TSMC are willing to relocate from Taiwan to China but pretty much everything is for sale if the price is high enough.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#126Let's all just come to a common agreement: there's no planet on which the US military allows Intel to die. Period. End of story. Having a US based company with fabrication facilities on US soil is vital to national security and will be for the entirety of my lifetime and likely my grandchildren's lifetime (if I ever have any). For all the bluster of the investors wanting to chop Intel up: they will find a swift and f…
If they're propping Intel up as their last bastion of chip superiority they've already lost. The US knows they need to defend Taiwan with the full weight of their military resources. This means war in the event of an invasion or takeover. If the US loses influence over Taiwan and subsequently TSMC, they've lost. In this phase of global geopolitics, whoever controls the chips has the influence. You can't do anything w…
Interestingly, there was a time when Intel's Fabs were the industry's absolute best. They were far ahead.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Core Architecture in the mid 2000's was such an incredible shot back to the top. I remember seeing the benchmarks absolutely dominate AMD on every level, power, performance, TDP, Cost, etc. etc. This is almost immediately after Athlon 64 and the Athlon 64X2 started to gain market share, spanking Intel's Pentium 4 at the time. IIRC Intel ended up dropping the Prescott architecture, moving to the Pentium M architec…
This just puts into perspective how stagnate cpus have been, ~14 years and we are just starting to move to more than 4 core processors on prosumer systems.
To be fair, the move started a while back (arguably in 2017 with the introduction of the Ryzen CPUs).
For instance, Steam's hardware report indicates that 1/3 of their install base already has 6 cores or more [1].
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fab has lifetime of 2-3(?) years Many Intel fabs are from the early 2000s. Some are from the 90s. What do you mean 2-3 years? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_...
I think they're referring to each line as a new fab, rather than the complex of buildings they're in, which is pretty fair.
That's correct. A reasonable way to think of it is to calculate the cost of the thing that you're replacing every couple years, and the output it produces in that time. So the CPU producing line at nm process, or whatever unit you choose. The building or site itself ("the fab") isn't the important thing.
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#129Let's all just come to a common agreement: there's no planet on which the US military allows Intel to die. Period. End of story. Having a US based company with fabrication facilities on US soil is vital to national security and will be for the entirety of my lifetime and likely my grandchildren's lifetime (if I ever have any). For all the bluster of the investors wanting to chop Intel up: they will find a swift and f…
I'd agree with you, but this has already happened when IBM sold its Fab [1] to Global-Foundries which is owned by Mubadala Investment Company from the U.A.E
IBM's Fab was on the DoD trusted foundry list [2] Slide 13, Intel's is not.
There's an article that already rang this alarm around national-security when IBM divested itself of its Fab. [3]
1. https://www.computerworld.com/article/2837426/ibms-chip-busi...
2. http://jteg.ncms.org/wp-content/files/documents/DoD%20Truste...
3. https://semiengineering.com/a-crisis-in-dods-trusted-foundry...
Re: Intel is dying and we can’t save it
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Curious, why were you a fanboy? Is it like rooting for team red and all the fun that goes into it? Honestly wondering since I have no feelings for any company even if their products are amazing.
I've been a fan for much the same time period yet never owned an AMD powered device, except maybe a game console? AMD has been useful to keep Intel on top of their game, but Intel has been on top for most of the last 15 years give or take.
That's awesome. I want some of the old school Intel memorabilia and souveniers like this one. Intel had such a great brand back in the 90's: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1997-Intel-Inside-MMX-Bunny...
You guys remember the blue man group? Good days.