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Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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There is a funny joke about a Bosnian in Canada, you may appreciate it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/3dcn76/the_diary_of_...

They have plenty of snow in Bosnia last I checked

A few years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Sarajevo#/media/File:...

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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It's worth reiterating that the problem is climate change, not just global warming. There's more energy in the atmosphere, and that can lead to warmer weather (on average this is the case) but it also means there's more energy to whip up storms or move regions of hot or cold air much further, to places that are not used to them. So unusually cold weather can in fact be a result of climate change.

Sorry, this is too cheap. Basically all you are saying is that climate may change (which it always has) and whenever there is an unusaual weather event, you can blame it on man made climate change. I am not buying this. If you were right, we should see at least "some" sort of trend, but at least in this official graphics, I just do not see it: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

I think the parent merely wanted to point out that accelerated climate change (which is primarily driven by humans) can cause both record high and record low temperatures.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Where's the global warming(lie)?

It's been called (anthropogenic) climate change because of insipid replies like yours. It's like my daughter saying that's she having social interaction because she's looking at tiktok, "and it's called social media."

The name is based on an early paper from the 50s [0]. Global warming is an Algore rebranding that got lots of public awareness. Once the science took over it was back to climate change again. But yeah you are right. A lot of people just attack the used language and then shout "deception" when people are just talking colloquially because explaining everything from scratch gets very tiring eventually.

The problem with climate change deniers is that they refuse everything so you have to actually explain everything from scratch time and time again. That's part of the strategy. Look for tiny mistakes and then deny the whole thing.

Clarifying that one is talking about anthropogenic climate change instead of just "regular" climate change is a pretty good example. Ultimately the difference is meaningless because non anthropogenic climate change is insignificant on human time scales. Give me 500 years to prepare and I won't care. Give me 50 years and I will always fail.

The worst part is that I don't even see any long term benefits to denying climate change. Even if it was completely fictional I still don't see any reason to not adopt technologies that would ultimately reduce the impact of climate change. Coal is a dying industry because of the economics. Oil is too precious to burn in cars (planes and ships are good use cases though). There is a general lack of investments to put central bank money into.

Oh, did I just say "climate change denier"? I obviously mean "climate change skeptics". (I am awaiting a response that skeptic is also wrong)

[0] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2153-3490....

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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It's been called (anthropogenic) climate change because of insipid replies like yours. It's like my daughter saying that's she having social interaction because she's looking at tiktok, "and it's called social media."

The name is based on an early paper from the 50s [0]. Global warming is an Algore rebranding that got lots of public awareness. Once the science took over it was back to climate change again. But yeah you are right. A lot of people just attack the used language and then shout "deception" when people are just talking colloquially because explaining everything from scratch gets very tiring eventually. The problem with…

And anyway, I think the average temperature has risen again last year, and was on par with the record peak from 2016.

> The worst part is that I don't even see any long term benefits to denying climate change.

It's a sad state of affairs.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Cold-blooded Canadian here, so forgive me for asking - is this highly unusual?

I remember back in 1984 or so, we once had snow in Madrid in May. Younger people laugh at me as if I'm just making that up, but what has just happened is way more unusual.

I remember that snowstorm, although very distantly! It must have been '84 or '85 ...

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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This takes seems really off to me somehow. They reported a min temperature of -25C, noted it is in an area known as "spanish siberia" (e.g. somewhere that expects cold weather) then note that it was unusually cold even for there, the coldest in 'at least 20 years'. They also reported -16C in Madrid itself, and the struggles that hospitals were having with a combination of COVID impact and a large number of additional…

Well, it's the headline we're talking about. As I wrote, "Yes, the headline is quite misleading." Without that headline, this post wouldn't have been made it here.

So you're objecting to the general nature of headlines for the last 50+ years at least? I don't see what you thought was worth calling out, really.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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There is a funny joke about a Bosnian in Canada, you may appreciate it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/3dcn76/the_diary_of_...

They have plenty of snow in Bosnia last I checked

You must be fun at parties.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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as a former citizen of Huntington Beach CA during the 1997 El Nino storms, i'd take the snow. I have the newspaper clipping of my grandmother being rescued from her home via dinghy by city rescue workers. Everyone I knew had their house ruined in hours after weeks of shoveling sandbags fruitlessly in front of the neighborhoods and homes. And that was just the flood damage and personal effect , itself. Untold amounts…

Snow is awesome! Except when it all melts in spring all at once and the river(s) flood their surroundings. The ones that stupid (or corrupt or both) city planners and developers have been building on for years now. Flood plains? What's that? Oh you mean all that nice river front property that would sell for really great prices? The bridge I used to take to work (before covid) is also affected by this. Both in the sen…

Yep. One spring in Colorado the high water in a creek normally about ankle-deep took out a couple of bridges in our suburban neighborhood. They were never rebuilt--a long story.

That is one of the curious things about Colorado--creeks that are about shin deep 11 months of the year, bank full for a few days, and then subside back to shin deep.

But guess what? It isn't just in snow country that people love to build in flood plains. Have a look at Houston.

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It was comical, but also sad, seeing people doing that in middle Georgia (US state, not country) a few years back when we had an unusual (for the area) cold spell with a lot of ice. Very few had scrapers and brushes for their cars to clear them so I was cleaning a lot of neighbors' cars while my own car was warming up.

Isn't pouring boiling hot water on car glass a pretty certain way to shatter them by thermal stress?!

Yes, been there, done that.

Also, don't pour cold water on the windshield on a hot summer day, especially if the car is oven-hot and you don't want to be toasted alive inside, because... well...

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