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New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

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Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

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post #12

Huh, this seemed a bit too good to be true on first reading. But given that the limits on computing power tend to thermal, and that a superconducting computer presumably wouldn't produce any heat at all, it does kind of make sense.

The system as a whole will produce heat, but less.

True, but usually the problem is removing the heat from the chip, not the total amount of heat produced. If the heat is mostly produced by the cooling system then that problem all but goes away.

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#32
post #18

> We use a logic primitive called the adiabatic quantum-flux-parametron (AQFP), which has a switching energy of 1.4 zJ per JJ when driven by a four-phase 5-GHz sinusoidal ac-clockat 4.2 K. The landauer limit at 4.2K is 4.019×10^-23 J (joules). So this is only a factor of 38x away from the landauer limit.

Mind expanding on this a bit more? What is that that limit and how does it relate to the clock speed?

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#33
post #12

Huh, this seemed a bit too good to be true on first reading. But given that the limits on computing power tend to thermal, and that a superconducting computer presumably wouldn't produce any heat at all, it does kind of make sense.

The system as a whole will produce heat, but less.

Any entropy reduction activity in one area automatically means a lot more heat is added somewhere else :) (2nd law)

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#34

This sounds perfect for space. It's cold in space, power is at a premium, and it can be tough getting rid of heat.

Its a bit cold in space. But actually its really difficult to cool down things in space as there is nothing around you to transfer heat to.

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#35
post #32
post #18

> We use a logic primitive called the adiabatic quantum-flux-parametron (AQFP), which has a switching energy of 1.4 zJ per JJ when driven by a four-phase 5-GHz sinusoidal ac-clockat 4.2 K. The landauer limit at 4.2K is 4.019×10^-23 J (joules). So this is only a factor of 38x away from the landauer limit.

Mind expanding on this a bit more? What is that that limit and how does it relate to the clock speed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle

Note that the gates themselves used here are reversible, so the limit shouldn't apply to them. But the circuits built from them them aren't reversible as far as I can see in the paper, so it would still apply to the overall computation.

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#36
post #10

Given the cooling requirements, I suppose it would create completely impassable rift between datacenter computing and other kinds. Imagine how programming and operating systems might look in a world where processing power is 80x cheaper. Considering that "data centers alone consume 2% of world's enegy", I think it's worth it.

> Imagine how programming and operating systems might look in a world where processing power is 80x cheaper.

Just wait 10 years?

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#37
post #10

Given the cooling requirements, I suppose it would create completely impassable rift between datacenter computing and other kinds. Imagine how programming and operating systems might look in a world where processing power is 80x cheaper. Considering that "data centers alone consume 2% of world's enegy", I think it's worth it.

Solid state physics begets both cryogenic technology and cryocooling technology. I wouldn't write off the possibility of making an extremely small cryocooler quite yet. Maybe a pile of solid state heat pumps could do it.

This is true, but the fact that heat absorption scales with the surface area is pretty brutal for tiny cooled objects.

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#38

This sounds perfect for space. It's cold in space, power is at a premium, and it can be tough getting rid of heat.

Its a bit cold in space. But actually its really difficult to cool down things in space as there is nothing around you to transfer heat to.

I'm ignorant of the specific physics, but what if you got it cold before you sent it into a vacuum, and then shielded it from external radiation?

Surely due to the massively reduced power usage it would be easier to keep it cool relative to traditional compute

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#39
post #11

It'll be interesting to see if the cryptocurrency mining industry will help subsidize this work, since their primary edge is power/performance. During stable price periods, the power/performance of cryptocurrency miners runs right up to the edge of profitability, so someone who can come in at 20% under that would have a SIGNIFICANT advantage.

Cost / hash. If power is free they don't care about power

Re: New superconductor microprocessor yields a substantial boost in efficiency

#40
post #10

Given the cooling requirements, I suppose it would create completely impassable rift between datacenter computing and other kinds. Imagine how programming and operating systems might look in a world where processing power is 80x cheaper. Considering that "data centers alone consume 2% of world's enegy", I think it's worth it.

Jevons Paradox would predict that we’ll end up using even more energy on computing.
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