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Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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moocow01 wrote: post #52
inglor_cz wrote: post #3

In the context of recent events... If there is a planned demonstration of some uncouth people in a certain place, will your Apple Car simply refuse to drive you there? Or will it stop serving you once your GPS coordinates from your iPhone show that you were actually there? These would be absurd, almost troll-level questions a year ago, but I feel that now they must be pondered. Edit: from 4 to -2 points within two mi…

"after some time, loses enough social credit that the government decides to deprive him of the ability to use his car" I know its easy to mentally walk down the dystopian road on this, but hasn't this always been the case? The only thing new is these policies are now getting codified using technology as society embraces it. Even from an apolitical stance, we as a modern society have always had mechanisms to take away…

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Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by ASalazarMX »

inglor_cz wrote: post #3

In the context of recent events... If there is a planned demonstration of some uncouth people in a certain place, will your Apple Car simply refuse to drive you there? Or will it stop serving you once your GPS coordinates from your iPhone show that you were actually there? These would be absurd, almost troll-level questions a year ago, but I feel that now they must be pondered. Edit: from 4 to -2 points within two mi…

Compared to this, my worry about Apple cars being glued shut seems unimportant.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by briefcomment »

dahfizz wrote: post #56
londons_explore wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pick between the news headlines: * Apple car found to have transported terrorists to sabotage Capitol building. Should those with morals be boycotting Apple? * Apple refuses service to terrorists. Apple tries to hold the country together and keep peace. If you were Apple, and had to pick between those headlines, which would you pick? When your company is built on your brand, it is suicide to associate yourself with s…

> * Apple car found to have transported terrorists to sabotage Capitol building. Should those with morals be boycotting Apple? Why is there any reason to believe this would be a headline? Even ISIS using Toyotas didn't have any serious repercussions for Toyota. I know cancel culture has gotten itself pretty ingrained into society, but this is flat out insane.

Once the ability to remotely brick a car becomes a possibility, people will expect it. For now, Toyota can't do a thing to their cars when someone else is using it, so no one holds them to that standard.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by dahfizz »

briefcomment wrote: post #64
dahfizz wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Apple car found to have transported terrorists to sabotage Capitol building. Should those with morals be boycotting Apple? Why is there any reason to believe this would be a headline? Even ISIS using Toyotas didn't have any serious repercussions for Toyota. I know cancel culture has gotten itself pretty ingrained into society, but this is flat out insane.

Once the ability to remotely brick a car becomes a possibility, people will expect it. For now, Toyota can't do a thing to their cars when someone else is using it, so no one holds them to that standard.

Nobody expects Apple to brick the iPhone of $BAD_PERSON

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by Zelphyr »

troelsSteegin wrote: post #44

Why does an Apple Car need to exist, beyond the commercial interests of Apple? What would make a car from Apple special relative to a car from VW or Tesla? Is the Apple brand really that compelling? A car is not a watch or a phone. If you really like cars, you could think of a car as a kind of a personal sculpture or trophy, and Apple is good at making nice looking, prized objects. I suppose a car is a container for…

Replace "Apple Car" with "MP3 Player". In 2001, there were plenty of players on the market that sufficiently did the job of playing audio.

Apple saw that they could do better and they did. They must feel that they can do the same with a car.

One way they can do better is privacy. We're starting to find out now just how much data about our driving habits our cars are storing. Like smart TV's it's only a matter of time before the likes of Toyota and Ford decide to sell that data to help increase their margins. I can see Apple offering the lack of that kind of tracking as a big selling point.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by eutropia »

inglor_cz wrote: post #3

In the context of recent events... If there is a planned demonstration of some uncouth people in a certain place, will your Apple Car simply refuse to drive you there? Or will it stop serving you once your GPS coordinates from your iPhone show that you were actually there? These would be absurd, almost troll-level questions a year ago, but I feel that now they must be pondered. Edit: from 4 to -2 points within two mi…

I think it's still a troll question.

"What if Tesla or GM or Ford or Volkswagen ... "

Then people would sue the company for damages and their stock would take a hit. Done.

In China, this has nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with the Government.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by nvarsj »

Zelphyr wrote: post #39
neya wrote: post #2

As much as I love Apple, they can't even get Siri to work right, how would they be able to do proper Tesla level AI is beyond me.

Their problem with Siri is that their stance on privacy gets in the way in this regard. They won't mine and use the massive amounts of data that they need to train their AI. To your point; that does mean they probably won't have as good a driver assist system as others because to do so would mean they would have to keep tabs on where and how people drive.

Apple had no problem recording Siri conversations until The Guardian called them out on it.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

esja wrote: post #53
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #21

I'd love to hear more about the potential future of gross margins on any automotive Apple products. I've heard auto manufacturers have notoriously low margins, but in reality they seem just as fine as any other business. That being said, those same margins are not at all within the realm of what Apple current enjoys. That all means unless some further accounting engineering goes on, it spells a less attractive future…

The PC hardware market also had fairly thin margins, if I remember correctly. It didn't stop Apple carving out a profitable niche and then expanding it.

That's true, but their ASP declined over time, and continues to do so just like everyone else's. You may pay marginally more comparatively, but their relative advantage has never improved over time.

Re: Apple Car expected to shake up auto industry in Asia and world

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Post by TheGrim-999 »

moksly wrote: post #27
inglor_cz wrote: post #3

In the context of recent events... If there is a planned demonstration of some uncouth people in a certain place, will your Apple Car simply refuse to drive you there? Or will it stop serving you once your GPS coordinates from your iPhone show that you were actually there? These would be absurd, almost troll-level questions a year ago, but I feel that now they must be pondered. Edit: from 4 to -2 points within two mi…

The tech companies are just ahead of regulation on this. That’s not to say, that banning the president of America, from a platform isn’t problematic or that big tech lacks the public mandate to do so. But that doesn’t change the fact, that right wingers can expect to see their freedoms limited if they continue to pose a danger to society. I think you can expect to see the EU simentaniously work to regulate big tech a…

Man this post is so gross and I think a good encapsulation of everything going wrong with social/mass media. Hyper partisan, hyper biased, contains no facts, flippantly suggests mass censorship of opposing viewpoints, flippantly puts out massive blanket statements dehumanzing and generalizing half of the population, it reads like pure propaganda.

It's so "interesting" that you didn't consider what the left did this summer a "danger to society" worthy of repercussions, where they spent month after month rioting, burning down American cities, LITERALLY forcefully taken over a large chunk of a major American city and claiming it as their own autonomous zone where they make the rules, personally setting fire to multiple buildings on my block, looting businesses on my block because they were owned by "evil capitalist whitey", making me flee the city I had lived in for 6 years to escape their violence. No, there was nothing "problematic" with that. No, apparently all the politicians tweeting out their direct support for it weren't "inciting violence". The double standards are so sickening.

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