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Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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How many Americans can only afford health coverage via their workplace plan? How many Americans live in right-to-work states and can be dismissed without a reason? Add that together and you have a lot of fear.

Nitpick: you're referring to at-will employment, not right-to-work. Right-to-work laws mean that you can't be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment. At-will employment means that you can (theoretically) be fired or quit at any time for no reason.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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When I was working for an employer, all I wanted was more vacation time so I could travel. Now that I am self-employed, I just get antsy when I'm on vacation.

What I've found works better for me is to take extended vacations every couple of years (a year here, 3 months there). This recharges my batteries for years at a time.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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What really grinds my gears is when federal holidays count towards my "vacation time". Those alone eat up seven days! I request four weeks of vacation in my contract, but am afraid to use them. That's America.

Oh wow, that's the first I've ever heard of that. That would not be acceptable for me. I think I'll be asking for more vacation time in future contracts, too. I managed to secure extra in the first year of my current contract because I had a need (planned trip) but in the future, I'm just going to require more. Of course, benefits and pay are interchangeable, so I might just request the ability to take unpaid vacatio…

I've started making vacation time a major part of the negotiation when taking a new position and in all instances I've brought it up during the interview process the interviewer acted alarmed. Even with my current position with a really cool small web shop they ended up interviewing me a 2nd time before offering the position. The key topic of conversation during the 2nd interview was basically the CEO trying to figure out if I planned on taking time off in some unspecified but inconvenient fashion that would leave the company in a bind.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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We do not live to work, we work to live.

At least that is how I see it. I will work to keep me busy doing (hopefully) interesting things and to keep food on the table but in the end I work because I have to. We all do.

Wouldn't you rather work 6 months of the year and travel or do whatever you want the rest? I know I would.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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America doesn't do vacation because of a mistaken understanding of the meaning of the word "productivity". As long as you have management consultants who specialize in the single metric of productivity (i.e. number of dollars of profit vs. number of dollars spent on people making the profit), you will have miserable people.

American corporate culture seems to live by the motto "Don't think - measure!"

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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This topic is covered on a somewhat regular basis in The Economist - usnder different guises. One memorable comparison between Europe and the USA was that Americans work more so they can spend the occasional weekend on their expensive boat while Europeans are happier taking longer vacations on canoe trips.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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Sure, that was true of my grandparents also, but they didn't think it was a good thing; they worked constantly with no breaks because they were poor and had no choice. They actively hoped that an outcome of their hard work would be that they could launch their kids into a better life, not the same life that they had had. And it worked; my dad went to college and got a better-paying job with better working conditions, such as more reasonable working hours and a few weeks vacation per year.

Re: Why is America the 'no-vacation nation'?

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When I complained to an employer that it was too hard to request my vacation time (it's in my contract, they made it very hard to pick dates by always having an emergency deadline, etc) they replied "It's like that everywhere", as if it was a legit answer. Many employers also lump in sick time with vacation time, as if that's a replacement since you didn't come into work. That would probably be okay, if you had an op…

Why don't you require this unpaid vacations before signing the contract? Probably you will have a lower salary, but more time for rest.
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