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Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by 3pt14159 »

rvn1045 wrote: post #44
3pt14159 wrote: post #30

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It's a disgusting practice. I don't care how time-honoured it is. Real people are involved here. Real violence. Real death. Showing someone a guillotine or a gallows or making threats to use deadly violence as part of a political protest is just plain wrong.

Back in the summer protestors stood outside Jeff Bezos's house with a guillotine: https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1299022885231538176

That is also disgusting. Bezos is still a human. I know I'm replying to each of these replies to me, but it's because I'm so concerned about the divisiveness of the politics we find ourselves in. It doesn't matter if it's on the left or the right. In a democracy or republic with free movement and free speech the tools are there to enact the change the public desires without weapons or slaughter or threats or violent symbolism.

These are real people with real lives and living children and parents and friends.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by 3pt14159 »

austhrow743 wrote: post #55
3pt14159 wrote: post #30

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It's a disgusting practice. I don't care how time-honoured it is. Real people are involved here. Real violence. Real death. Showing someone a guillotine or a gallows or making threats to use deadly violence as part of a political protest is just plain wrong.

Threat of deadly violence is the weight that the political system throws around. To consider using them same to keep it in check to be disgusting is to ask to be used as a doormat.

I don't care if deadly violence or the threat of deadly violence "throws the political system around" it is completely counterproductive in the long run so long as the people in the system are free to communicate and assemble. Blowback is real and lasting. If enough people want change, organize a three month long protest where people actually leave their jobs and fields. There are plenty of legal and safe ways to change the course of a democracy or republic.

We do not need men in viking hats storming the capital or symbols of mob-rule-sanctioned execution to fix things.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by rvn1045 »

3pt14159 wrote: post #71
rvn1045 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the summer protestors stood outside Jeff Bezos's house with a guillotine: https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1299022885231538176

That is also disgusting. Bezos is still a human. I know I'm replying to each of these replies to me, but it's because I'm so concerned about the divisiveness of the politics we find ourselves in. It doesn't matter if it's on the left or the right. In a democracy or republic with free movement and free speech the tools are there to enact the change the public desires without weapons or slaughter or threats or violent…

I think we need to be careful with overreactionn on both the left and the right. For example simply looking at someones actions overreacting to it and calling it disgusting and then saying that whatever they did is absolutely irredeemable promotes a toxic political culture. This kind of intolerance of other viewpoints is part of the reason we are in todays mess.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

throwawaysea wrote: post #66
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #59

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The dump only contains information that people posted publicly on Parler, as per this: "only things that were available publicly via the web were archived. i don't have you e-mail address, phone or credit card number. unless you posted it yourself on parler." - https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348666166978424832 If anything, the people on Parler doxxed themselves by posting all of it in public, it was all direct…

So why is media treating this differently from when Zero Hedge posted the contact information of a head of a lab in Wuhan that was conducting research into coronaviruses carried by bats? In that case, the person’s contact information was also public and it was intended as such on the lab’s own website, since he was the public face of it. And yet Zero Hedge was attacked by news media and posts on social media as “doxx…

I don't represent Twitter, nor do I have any influence on their decisions. I simply corrected your misconceptions about the data present in the dump.

However, there is a big difference between posting the information on a single named person and in effect blaming him for the COVID-19 pandemic, based purely on speculation and hearsay about the supposed origin of the virus, and dumping the publicly available data from a website that provably hosted and tolerated (perhaps even boosted) conspiracy theories and incitement to overthrow the results of a democratic election.

Zero Hedge does this a lot, they latch onto wild theories and present them as if they are factual. Their hit:miss rate is absolutely atrocious, they are not a reliable source of news.

As for @donk_enby's political views, her profile says "Meiklejohnian absolutist. free speech as in free-for-everyone.", for context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiklejohnian_absolutism

"Therefore, all speech, even criticizing the established government, is healthy to the life of democracy. In essence, this means that free speech must be protected not for those speaking, but for those who should hear what they are saying."

This is not a left vs. right thing, it's an issue of Parler('s users) wanting to stuff the genie back in the bottle, they want to unsay what they have said and unpost what they have posted, because after the 6th it is extremely compromising for them to have said/posted it.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by tinus_hn »

o-__-o wrote: post #65
jspash wrote: post #61

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Just curious...what is your prediction for the much talked about country-wide "event" coming in 3-4 days? I mean, the same people who were "chattering" about the 6th have said in no uncertain terms that they WILL once again stage an armed protest (good luck to that) starting on the 16th and culminating on the 17th at the capitol and the capitols of each and every state. With the threat of violence not just between th…

4chan is advertising for people to go to dc again on the 19th but armed. I don’t know how you can dismiss this when hanging out in /pol/ for a day will bring up several 200+ comment threads. Save this comment: 4chan will be the next victim and the rest of the internet will say “good”

If you have any idea what 4chan already survived you know they aren’t going to fall over this.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by coffexx »

zaq1 wrote: post #60
99_00 wrote: post #29

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Exactly. It's nothing. Just as this is nothing: ‘OFF WITH HIS HEAD’ Black Lives Matter protesters put Trump effigy in a GUILLOTINE outside White House https://www.the-sun.com/news/1384275/protesters-trump-effigy... Both sides do it. Both sides fein outrage and disgust at the other side doing it.

Tabloids are not credible.

https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1299168966255017984 Here, from someone on the ground that night, you can clearly see St. John's Episcopal Church in the videos. The tabloid was reporting correctly.

The fact these sorts of things, including all the other violence and destruction going on at the time, were either ignored wholesale or played down by mainstream news sources, while also being actively encouraged in the next breath ought to be a source of shame for them. The country spent the last year being gas-lit.

Its no surprise at all why many people on the right distrust them.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

yeuxardents wrote: post #4

I fully believe the flip side of this is. Had social networks not, over the last 10 years, been consistently banning anyone and everyone they could for everything ranging from simply slightly disagreeable speech all the way to flat out illegal speech, you would not have needed a massive analysis of data from one-off sites. The crowd sourcing and eyes on the information of regular people could have predicted it. By cr…

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Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by yeuxardents »

dragonwriter wrote: post #42
yeuxardents wrote: post #34

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Please read a history book, preferably one written in the last century. Human societies are cyclical, repeatable, and to some degree, predictable. At least 75,000,000 people think one way. Deny them the right to speak openly and what might you have? I gather, as a late night estimate, 75,000,000 people talking to about another 55,000,000 people why they are right. And you want to force them all into darkness, unable…

> Please read a history book, preferably one written in the last century. I've read quite a few, and they don't bear out your description at all. > Human societies are cyclical, repeatable, and to some degree, predictable. Not really, not really, and really not. > At least 75,000,000 people think one way 74,222,593 people conclude, for a wide variety of different reasons, at a particular point in time, to vote for a…

I'm not really 'railing' about anything, just thinking out loud. Thanks

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by MrMan »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #56
yeuxardents wrote: post #4

I fully believe the flip side of this is. Had social networks not, over the last 10 years, been consistently banning anyone and everyone they could for everything ranging from simply slightly disagreeable speech all the way to flat out illegal speech, you would not have needed a massive analysis of data from one-off sites. The crowd sourcing and eyes on the information of regular people could have predicted it. By cr…

Sunlight really isn't the best disinfectant. By allowing extremist content unhindered on your site, you are giving them a platform, you are helping them reach more people. You are in fact helping them boost their signal, rather than adhering to some ideal that ordinary people can somehow talk down extremists. You cannot reason with a true believer. You cannot use facts to debate someone for whom the entire concept of…

This is empirically the correct approach

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

rvn1045 wrote: post #73
3pt14159 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is also disgusting. Bezos is still a human. I know I'm replying to each of these replies to me, but it's because I'm so concerned about the divisiveness of the politics we find ourselves in. It doesn't matter if it's on the left or the right. In a democracy or republic with free movement and free speech the tools are there to enact the change the public desires without weapons or slaughter or threats or violent…

I think we need to be careful with overreactionn on both the left and the right. For example simply looking at someones actions overreacting to it and calling it disgusting and then saying that whatever they did is absolutely irredeemable promotes a toxic political culture. This kind of intolerance of other viewpoints is part of the reason we are in todays mess.

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